Patrick Sanford — Direct (Part 2)
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MR. ZELMAN: Obviously standard operating procedure is to photograph when executing the search warrant.
MR. ZELMAN: So I need more time to go through those. I believe that witness is tomorrow. Yes.
MR. ZELMAN: So my intent would be to go through those in more detail.
MR. ZELMAN: And tomorrow morning I'll be able to address any Richards issues.
JUDGE EVERETT: All right.
JUDGE EVERETT: Well, it does raise somewhat of an interesting issue in that way. Part of the inquiry is the prejudicial effect on your ability to prepare for trial. With having the opportunity to review this evidence, obviously that will mitigate some of that effect. You do not want me to go through the inquiry now?
MR. ZELMAN: Just a moment, Your Honor.
MR. ZELMAN: I need to go through them to see if there would be any prejudice. I can't sit, I can't stand here before the court and say there's not prejudice. It might actually be beneficial. Until I have a chance to go through them, I'm not going to be able to answer them.
JUDGE EVERETT: All right. Concerning the recording, so that way we have a clean record on this topic: the basis of having this inquiry at this point can be both based on the public precedents of the Florida Supreme Court and the DCA courts, and the way Landry versus State specifically holds — even a possible discovery violation should the requirement be conducted with the hearing, as the inquiry is intended to flesh out whether there has been a discovery violation concerning the recording that was made by — what was the witness's name again?
MR. ZELMAN: The recording —
JUDGE EVERETT: Was it McElveen?
MR. ZELMAN: Yes, Your Honor.
JUDGE EVERETT: As Mr. McElveen's recording, or any audio forensic or enhancement work that he did to make it clear. Ms. Cappleman, one version of the recording was provided but not the second version, which you later provided to the folks.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: That's correct, Your Honor.
JUDGE EVERETT: So as to the enhanced version, or in some way what Mr. McElveen has worked on — that was not provided.
JUDGE EVERETT: There has been a discovery violation as to that aspect. However, the item was known to the defense as to the original state of the recording.
JUDGE EVERETT: Ms. Cappleman, what were the circumstances of not providing the enhanced version of the audio?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Oh, gosh.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Apparently I requested that be done — that work be done — prior to Ms. Adelson's previously scheduled trial with previous counsel. I do not recall doing that, but it seems I did, or someone on my team did. It was discovered in the envelope from Mr. McElveen during preparation for this trial, and believed to be the attempt to clarify the meeting between the defendant and her son at the pier that we've talked about in the testimony during yesterday — that was unsuccessful. So only in the pre-trial conference with Mr. McElveen did he bring to my attention that we did do a clarification effort of this jail call. So I provided it to the defense when I realized that we had done that and it was in our possession, and I advised the defense that whichever version they wanted to publish is the version that I would go with, based on the fact that we were discovering it late.
JUDGE EVERETT: Very well. Concerning this, the court will find that it is inadvertent, since an original version was provided, although the clarified or enhanced version was not provided until the trial had begun. As to whether this is substantial or trivial — do you have any arguments?
MR. ZELMAN: As I indicated, at this point I cannot make that representation in good faith. I need to listen to it in more detail and with my client in order to do so.
JUDGE EVERETT: And lastly, as to whether this has had a prejudicial effect on the group's — on the defense's — ability to prepare for trial: once again, the original recording was provided to the defense. State also, as well, has agreed with the defense to essentially let them pick how this evidence would be entered, whether it would be the clarified or enhanced version or the original version.
JUDGE EVERETT: So as to a prejudicial effect, the court will find there is not one.
JUDGE EVERETT: As to any conference that you need to have with your client concerning which will be entered and also presented before the jury — obviously you'll have the opportunity to do so. So as to any matters involving the photographs, the Richardson inquiry will need to take place, but I will allow you an opportunity to review the evidence if you have any arguments to make concerning substantial, trivial, or prejudicial effect.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Judge, on the open-line call — the jail call that we're talking about — we are intending to publish that in whatever form the defense agrees to, either later today or tomorrow at the latest. So I will need an answer before Saturday.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: It's only a 14-minute call, so I suggest that we take a recess so that they can do that over lunch, or whatever Your Honor deems appropriate.
JUDGE EVERETT: Would you all prefer for the jurors not to come out at 9 o'clock and you go with this call now, Mr. Zelman?
MR. ZELMAN: Your Honor, we would need to do it in private with our client.
JUDGE EVERETT: Very well.
JUDGE EVERETT: Well, we'll put the jurors then on an earlier lunch break. The courtroom will be cleared out and recording equipment that is currently in place will be turned off. That will be your opportunity to go over those with the client. Thank you, Your Honor.
JUDGE EVERETT: Any other matters for this morning?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: No, sir, not for the state, Judge.
MR. ZELMAN: Nothing for the defense, Judge.
JUDGE EVERETT: Jurors are ready. We can bring them up.
JUDGE EVERETT: Is Agent Sanford outside?
BAILIFF: Jury entering the courtroom.
JUDGE EVERETT: Everyone can be seated.
JUDGE EVERETT: Good morning, members of the jury.
JUDGE EVERETT: Once Agent Sanford returns to the witness stand, we will resume with his examination by the state this morning.
JUDGE EVERETT: Ms. Cappleman, is he outside?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Yes, sir.
JUDGE EVERETT: Agent Sanford, you remain under oath, sir. Please speak loudly and clearly. Thank you, sir.
JUDGE EVERETT: You may continue with your examination.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Agent Sanford, when we began your testimony yesterday, we talked about the wire, and one of the things we talked about was that — Charlie and his mother, the defendant in this case, would get together to talk about certain things regarding Wendi. Do you remember that?
PATRICK SANFORD: I do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And one of the things that they would sometimes talk about was Wendi's career, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And I tried to play a call on that subject, but we had the wrong call attached. So I'm going to publish that at this time.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Judge, this is on State's Exhibit 99, call 2873.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: If we could start at 7:08, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know if I told you this. I got Wendi to accept that job.
AUDIO RECORDING: There was a chance to get several rules started over.
AUDIO RECORDING: Accept that job?
AUDIO RECORDING: With who?
AUDIO RECORDING: She told me she was going to accept, like, after I got —
AUDIO RECORDING: — to go along with, you know, with the judge and stuff —
AUDIO RECORDING: — from this firm. I don't know if I told you this, I got Wendi to accept that job with —
AUDIO RECORDING: With who?
AUDIO RECORDING: She told me she was going to accept, like, after I got found out... I'm going to walk with her, she said she was going to accept that job.
AUDIO RECORDING: She was thinking about not taking it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Not what she wants, but it's only about — but I said, "Wendi, I said — because first of all there's no time frame on it, and if you change your mind, you change your mind. So, but you'll pick up skills you don't have, right?" And basically, now's not the time to just chill and be like — you're way overqualified, she can't get hired, she can't get hired anywhere, there's like nothing there. No, no, they offered her a job at — the dean called her up at UF. Oh, she didn't tell me that. Yeah, but it would have been basically like as, uh, not a guidance counselor, an advisor or whatever — it was like, she's like, no, it's basically — it would have been brainless work for her, she said. The way she said it, she said — and the dean called her up to ask.
AUDIO RECORDING: But the thing is, I'm like, "Wendi, you have to get as much skill as you can now. If this is a skill you just got done telling me you don't really know how to do — now's the time to go learn that skill, not later."
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. You need to learn it. So at least you can learn it and say you don't like it. You can learn it and you can make a bunch of money.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, that's the whole thing — is that she can, you know, I'm like, "Wendi, then you might as well do it to see if you even like it." She's like, "Well, it's not really what I like."
AUDIO RECORDING: But she's never done it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. But you've never done it. So you really don't — you don't know until you say dentistry, until you practice dentistry, you don't really know what it's like, exactly. So I got her to do that. And the other thing I was going to tell you is she asked me if Dave could come to the house for Mother's Day. Oh, she asked you? Yeah, if I would mind. And I said, of course — I'm lying — don't bring it, that's what I told her. She texted me the other day, and I said, yeah, bring in the Lord and Mary.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, why not? It's fun.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I don't care.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't care if you take the kids and our N.D. on the boat.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, yeah. And I'll tell you about the school.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, we do. Yeah, no, I told her, of course, for anyone. I mean, I'm sure you'd rather him go spend the day with him than you anyway.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, that's the best Mother's Day present he could have given me. Go spend the day with him.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, I'm actually, like, I'm happy. As you know, I'm super happy. Oh, yeah. No, I thought that would be your best Mother's Day present this year — when he wants to bring me.
AUDIO RECORDING: She's developing a brain.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know what?
AUDIO RECORDING: And both boys are not very good at hugging and kissing, and it always makes one feel bad. At the time, they're boys; they're just not.
AUDIO RECORDING: They're girls. They're girls, and they'll kiss you. And to her, um, then...
AUDIO RECORDING: That's why Gary and Greg always want to give a hug and a kiss, and she's gone. I always do that with my mom and my daddy, and I do that with my children, and I do that with my grandchildren.
AUDIO RECORDING: Listen, it doesn't, like, register in her head.
AUDIO RECORDING: At least she doesn't see herself as a victim anymore.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So now if we could fast-forward a little bit back to where we ended the day yesterday.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: We heard the first call in which Charlie Adelson speaks to Katherine Magbanua. That was call D, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And they were discussing an in-person meeting there. Did an in-person meeting take place between Charlie and Katherine Magbanua?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes. Charlie left from his mother's condo and drove to Katherine Magbanua's work.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And was that after the meeting that we saw the photo of the defendant and Charlie at the table speaking in low tones?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, so after he leaves there, does he go straight to Katherine Magbanua?
PATRICK SANFORD: He does. He goes straight to her.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. And was there an attempt to surveil that meeting as well?
PATRICK SANFORD: There was.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And had Magbanua been under surveillance prior to this?
PATRICK SANFORD: I believe we tried to get somebody over there, yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: I mean, in general, during the course of the investigation, had she been surveilled?
PATRICK SANFORD: Oh, yes. Correct. I'm sorry — yes, she had been.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And as part of the surveillance on her, were you — was law enforcement ever able to capture an image that included Magbanua and the Lexus that she received during this time, during our time?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, that's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: You recognize State's 54?
PATRICK SANFORD: I do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: What does that show?
PATRICK SANFORD: It shows Katherine Magbanua meeting with Charlie Adelson. She drove to his location where he was working that day, and they both got — he came out of the office, she got into the car with him, she parked behind him, and she got into his car, sat there for a little while, then they got out, and that's what the photo is showing — them outside the car.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: When was this photo taken?
PATRICK SANFORD: It was prior to the bump. I don't remember the exact date.
JUDGE EVERETT: Any objection to State's 54?
PATRICK SANFORD: I wouldn't be the one objecting. I'm not allowed to talk to them. I'm only allowed to talk to you.
JUDGE EVERETT: State's 54 is in. Good.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. So sometime prior to the bump we have this image taken, and is the vehicle back here the one that was previously in the name of Harvey Adelson but transferred over to Magbanua?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: The timing of this photo was during the wire. That vehicle was, during the wire, I believe was still currently registered to Charlie Adelson or Harvey Adelson, but we've heard evidence of it being transferred over to Cap — and Magbanua — at some point, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, so that's the car.
PATRICK SANFORD: That is a car. It's a Lexus.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And then the meeting that we're about to talk about was at the Dolce Vita restaurant. Are you familiar with that?
PATRICK SANFORD: I am.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And were some images taken there as well?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publishing 137. Is this in front of the Dolce Vita restaurant?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is. After the exit.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publishing 140.
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And we heard from some agents yesterday about the attempts to capture and clarify their audio conversation inside that restaurant.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Have you had an opportunity to listen to that recording?
PATRICK SANFORD: I have.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And right before that meeting, we've got call E.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is that one just Magbanua and Charlie Adelson planning this meeting where they're going to meet up?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct. After he — when he left the meeting at Monty's, he called her to discuss where to meet.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, I think we can skip that one. And have we got the Dolce?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: It's going to be State's Exhibit 116 being published, Your Honor.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm here for Sam.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, sorry.
AUDIO RECORDING: The building is recaptured and ordered back.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you hear Mr. Adelson offer some rental car examples in this recording?
PATRICK SANFORD: I did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was it public knowledge that a rental car had been used in this murder at that time?
PATRICK SANFORD: No. It was only released as a green Prius. We were looking for a green Prius.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you ever hear either of the parties in this recording say "Sigfredo Garcia"?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, did not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was he referenced in this recording?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was he referenced?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yeah.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Who did they mean? "He would be happy. I have you on salary." Yes, that's — that's who they're referencing at that particular moment? "No, bad — he doesn't have any bad feelings toward me, does he?" With that reference, Garcia?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did the surveillance that was being conducted around this time shed any light on the relationship between Katherine Magbanua and Sigfredo Garcia at this time?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes. At this time, they were actually back together and they were living together in a house with their children — or condo.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is the word "extortion" used in this recording?
PATRICK SANFORD: No.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. What about "blackmail"?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Tell us about the next call, please. Call F.
PATRICK SANFORD: Call F is about — is as Mr. Adelson is leaving Dolce Vita after meeting with Ms. Magbanua, he calls Donna Adelson at 4:56 p.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Publish call F, please.
JUDGE EVERETT: Is that regarding the use of the transcript as an aid?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Yes, Your Honor.
MS. FULFORD: No objection.
JUDGE EVERETT: Here are recorded conversations.
JUDGE EVERETT: These recorded conversations are proper evidence, and you may consider them just as any other evidence.
JUDGE EVERETT: You are also being furnished transcripts of the recorded conversations. The recordings are the evidence, and the transcripts are provided to you only as a guide to help you follow as you listen to the recordings.
JUDGE EVERETT: The transcripts are not evidence of what was actually said or who said it. If you notice any difference between what you hear on the recordings and what you read in the transcripts, you must rely on what you hear and not what you read. You may continue.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Thank you, Judge. Back to State's Exhibit 99, call F.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, honey, how are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm sitting watching the boys at their tennis camp. They have a wonderful time. Yeah, I was concerned because they said that they don't need to show the cards, but they're having fun because, you know, there's six kids on the court, so they're all about the — they love me, so they're happy to talk with me. It's great.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's fantastic.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, how's your day going?
AUDIO RECORDING: It's good. It's good. I mean, it's stressful, but it's fun.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, it's good. I'm actually in my 80s now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Everything's good.
AUDIO RECORDING: Everything?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Everything's fine.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Yeah. Yeah, and they, uh, just up and around with relationship and that kind of stuff. Oh, okay. And, uh, she may come by soon or tomorrow, actually, too.
AUDIO RECORDING: She had to go back to work.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I think she's going to come, uh, maybe to my office tomorrow, or another office. I think she has some good advice.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. And, uh, she's just sleeping on it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Okay. So, relationships are not easy.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, they're not. They're not. So, that's it. So, everything is fine anyway.
AUDIO RECORDING: Without a doubt.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's fine.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, yeah. No question in the world.
AUDIO RECORDING: I would not.
AUDIO RECORDING: No? I could talk to you more about it. Yeah. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, if you want, you know, just come up to the — off-court. We could be hanging out with Dad tomorrow night.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, yeah, it's tomorrow. It's on Thursday, Dad, as well. Yeah. We're going to be doing a lot of stuff for the holidays, getting together and doing a lot of recipes and a lot of cooking.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what we do for a holiday — cook for us. It's not an easy work, but we're going to try to do things. We're eating Ted Lobster's in a week of planes.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's probably right. No one's looking quite well. It's only us, the parents, the kids, and Dave.
AUDIO RECORDING: Dave doesn't have any children.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, really?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, so it's just the boys and us and Dave.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's awesome. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, do you think everything will be good for Saturday night?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, you know, June's trying out for the, you know, the Austin Cheerleaders.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, no, I didn't see it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, no, she's actually — she's a dancer. Oh, my gosh, she's an awesome dancer. She made it on the fifth round last year. And that cut, you know, the last, like, literally, like, when they have it now for, like, 60 girls, and it takes 45. Well, you can imagine how many girls try out for it. Oh, yeah, I see — I see her on TV. I see her try out for it. Yeah, there's, like, hundreds of girls, and they're all really good dancers. Yeah. You know, June's an awesome dancer. She goes to dance class, like, three days a week, and she's been training really hard.
AUDIO RECORDING: And she's actually probably trained too hard, because she's overhand trained, like, two times in a row.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, no, she can do, like, head kicks and, like, double turns and splits. And, no, she's been a dancer her whole life. Oh.
AUDIO RECORDING: So she made it — this is a fourth-time trying out. But she made it last time to the fifth round, which is the final round, and didn't make it, so it's been her dream.
AUDIO RECORDING: So Saturday... Yeah, Saturday night.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, she's going to try out Saturday. You have to go back and get your racket, honey. That's what you gave each other — that's what you used. Go back and get your racket.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because yours are too small.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm sorry. So after the Boston tryouts, she's going to come — she may come. What time is it?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, both times we met, we wanted to do it early because she's going to stay up too late, so 5, 5:30.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, because I'm planning on being up in West Palm at, like, 11, so I'll get up there at 11 to 12, 12 to 1 to 2, home by 3:50.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, just tell me if she's going to come, because I'll set the table for her.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I'll find out if she's coming or if she's going to — maybe I have to have her just drive herself after the tryouts. Okay, yeah, she may get out at five and be, like, too close, and in that case she's not obviously going to try to jump over the trip. Okay, that's your reply to why she wouldn't come; otherwise she won't come.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, no, I understand, it's not a problem. Just feel — just what you know — because that's a table. That's what... one more comment I would say for her. I don't think they said... yeah, oh, my god, that's a pretty explaining thing. Well, that's how she... that's how she knew Lauren's sister.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, okay, hold on one second. Guys, wait a minute — I have to ask, I have to ask Pat something of you.
AUDIO RECORDING: I have to see if the commission can take that one. Let me just run out to the court for a second. I'm gonna call you right back.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Does she call him right back?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, she does.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish call G, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: I have a story to tell, but I have to get a little — get a little something to do.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, Mary's good. I just hung out with my friend, and she's going to sleep on some stuff, and then she's going to come tomorrow to either my office or Vance's office and come and help out with our questions. Yeah, I've seen all of that.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I'll talk to her tomorrow, because that's a lot.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Anyway. Do you think she'll be okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: I told her. I mean, I explained it to you. It's really obvious. She'll probably want to do it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. So she's going to do one or two of them.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Would that be how you want it?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. It would be good.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's how you want it?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, fine, you can ask.
AUDIO RECORDING: Alright, alright Charlie. I'm lucky to always be with Dad.
AUDIO RECORDING: Um.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I am.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, just, uh —
AUDIO RECORDING: Hopefully Dad has a good day at the office.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, because, uh, I like to — I like him to have a good night's sleep.
AUDIO RECORDING: So. Yeah. Oh, yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: That I truly would not worry about.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, no, without a doubt.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I hope so.
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: Of the office — uh, WRL office, or base you are?
AUDIO RECORDING: From 11 to 7, by 3 I'm pretty done.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, really? You're done for the day?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, and then I do the fans as well.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, that's — that's, yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, I can see some areas — like, I'm very, kind of, 95.
AUDIO RECORDING: Very proud of you. Oh my God, it's impressive.
AUDIO RECORDING: To go from, like — I mean, literally, for me to go from, like, you know, on this game, to like, all the way to like 95 — I'm thinking about how much time it takes me to go from my house to South East.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just to the east-west — I can't go to South East and go to Oroville, because if you're in Miami, you can go to the highway.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, it's like — it's like two schools.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, you can't see me. You can't see me.
AUDIO RECORDING: I just want you to know that you don't have to go swimming. That's all.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm wishing you a quiet and sad life. I just want you to sleep. I'll be there. I'll be swimming.
AUDIO RECORDING: I just want you to know that you don't have to go swimming. You don't have to go swimming.
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't have to go swimming.
AUDIO RECORDING: I love you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, if your theory is correct, then we don't know this.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, listen, if you realize something, it doesn't have no good.
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: At the end of the day, they're not going to gain anything just because they didn't gain anything. It's not like you've ever threatened anybody or harmed anybody.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no. Um, you know, the thing is — this is that they're not hiding who they are, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: Not at all. Not at all.
AUDIO RECORDING: So that's why I had another supposition.
AUDIO RECORDING: What's that?
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what I thought — were different.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, it's not really the way they are. Um, the whole thing is weird — I mean, the whole thing. It's the kind of thing that they can easily be traced, they can easily be caught, and —
AUDIO RECORDING: They easily will have charges against them. But honestly, extorting people is, like, up to 10 years in prison.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know why they make it so easy to make —
AUDIO RECORDING: — them develop.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not that bad.
AUDIO RECORDING: It could be a lot worse, but at least you can see it like that.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, I will talk to you maybe tomorrow during the day or night. You'll let me know if everything is good for the dinner.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, bye-bye.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Let's — Go to the next day, please. April 21st, 2016. Are there any calls on that date?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, there are.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Tell us about call H.
PATRICK SANFORD: Call H is between Katherine Magbanua and Sigfredo Garcia.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is it 8:17 in the morning?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish call H, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Why? Because you don't know how to apologize because you were wrong.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: This is the same thing that happened last time.
AUDIO RECORDING: I have a more pressing matter that I have to attend to.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm not aware of anybody else. What are my security people? What are you going to settle for me?
AUDIO RECORDING: When is that going to happen?
AUDIO RECORDING: Because I see that everybody else gets the special attention and they say, "Katie, you go figure it out. You go figure it out. You figure out the kids. You figure out life. Katie, Katie, Katie." Katie, you're doing this again. This is the same shit. I've been here. I've never felt happier.
AUDIO RECORDING: We were so happy. We were so — we were so happy.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, all right, man, all right, all right. Then fine, then go, whatever.
AUDIO RECORDING: Fine, go.
AUDIO RECORDING: If that's what you need to do to make yourself happy, then I'm not going to hold you back.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm not making that fucking phone call.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, Taylee — Taylee, here, here.
AUDIO RECORDING: Nah, she's on her head. I'm pretty sure somebody will come by.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just — who, you know, maybe somebody.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just — Taylee, listen.
AUDIO RECORDING: Don't fucking — don't fucking — listen.
AUDIO RECORDING: I just want you to fucking have a pussy between your legs and act like you have it. If you want a fuck to do what you want to do, do it.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm gonna take care of my fuck — I'm gonna take care of this fucking pot of blood. I'm going to take care of this fucking problem and then to —
AUDIO RECORDING: — let you know the better of it next.
AUDIO RECORDING: Stop talking on the phone, man.
AUDIO RECORDING: Bye.
AUDIO RECORDING: Bye.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is there another call between Magbanua and Garcia that day?
PATRICK SANFORD: There is. There's one.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Just a couple minutes later?
PATRICK SANFORD: A couple minutes later, almost immediately following them hanging up.
PATRICK SANFORD: It was at 8:36.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Publish call I.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think you remember that I wrote it, but I'm not —
AUDIO RECORDING: $60.57 or $65.77.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm trying to figure it out.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm just telling you, I don't remember if it's either one of those numbers.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, you're picking them up today, so...
AUDIO RECORDING: Huh?
AUDIO RECORDING: So what?
AUDIO RECORDING: You're picking them up today, so you'll find out when you get them. The amount that I gave you on a piece of paper, I don't know if it's $60.57 or $55.70, okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: So there's no credit card that I can use in your school, so it makes no sense.
AUDIO RECORDING: Got it?
AUDIO RECORDING: Alright, so $65.70.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is that a reference to the phone number on the piece of paper that was handed to Donna Adelson?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is. The undercover's last four digits is 6570 on his cell phone.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And that number was handed on a piece of paper to the defendant?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And that number was given on the Dolce Vita recording from Charlie to Katie?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And now Katie to Garcia?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: What is call J?
PATRICK SANFORD: Call j is the same day, on the 21st. It's, uh, Charlie Adelson to Katherine Magbanua at 9:31 a.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish J, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: You did like legit a real one girl I have pay rent.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, yeah, I'm picking up a corner. You should get the whole block.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know. I'm going to get some more of the options.
AUDIO RECORDING: Huh?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm saying, yeah, it's going to be impossible.
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't want to pick the kids up?
AUDIO RECORDING: What time do you pick the kids up?
AUDIO RECORDING: Before six.
AUDIO RECORDING: Before six?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: There's no way to come up and see me. I don't know if they can hear us, but I don't know about the volunteer, but that's a big problem.
AUDIO RECORDING: Are you at work?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, of course.
AUDIO RECORDING: How are you doing?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um...
AUDIO RECORDING: Unfortunately, no one even saw the truth.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, I thought I did.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, my gosh.
AUDIO RECORDING: You got it. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Anyways, I don't think that's my best idea, regardless.
AUDIO RECORDING: Are the hairs on?
AUDIO RECORDING: Huh?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. It's frightening.
AUDIO RECORDING: I really don't want to worry about them.
AUDIO RECORDING: You said you haven't heard from these people, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: What's that?
AUDIO RECORDING: You said you haven't heard from these people?
AUDIO RECORDING: Or at least they came by on Monday.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I haven't heard from them.
AUDIO RECORDING: Don't worry.
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, don't worry.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, but I was just telling you before, I don't know if it's a good investment.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, I see what you're saying.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because I was seeing this on properties, and then I was asking.
AUDIO RECORDING: I was asking all these people, do you think it's a good investment? And you said, no, that's totally stupid — which, you know, not like everything they're going to tell you.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's, um, but he is going to look into a couple of things, a couple of properties regarding that, and find out, um, what's going on. And, yeah, you know, you can't just jump into like — like, that's just — you need to know it. You can't jump to the property. You know, exactly, I don't think it's easy to find my life here. You know, how is the security going to be, and whether you search lots of security or just live a lot more into it. So I'm trying to do the research for that, trying to have these — usually when these properties come up, I mean, it can be a galaxy for everybody.
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: It can't just happen. But then I don't think that's the case. Like, I feel as if, um, like it was posted incorrectly.
AUDIO RECORDING: And it's just like, you know, some people write, some people don't.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, like, you know, you throw out a fish in the air and the sea, you write.
AUDIO RECORDING: Stop fishing.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: You throw the chum down, and they're all going to come out.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, you throw the chum, a bunch of fish come, and they're all going to jump on it. I mean, I kind of think that. Yeah, but for the pricing, it's what I pay with the shirt.
AUDIO RECORDING: So it's, you know, it's unsold away.
AUDIO RECORDING: Way too high for price to trade. Yeah, of course. That's crazy. They pay so much.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. If they really want to get something, they will — they will — they need to be important enough to be able to afford it, you know. Yeah, hang on, hang on one second, James could ask me a question.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right, and I'll give you 150 on top of it. Yeah, I'd love to check up here.
AUDIO RECORDING: And people — which is better, as you know, the five — you know, you know, 109 versus 89, but it's the same chip, you can replace it with two years anyway, right? Get the one for 89. Yeah, I think I need five for the house. Five. Yeah, no, no.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. I said, you want me to do a check today? Okay, let me know you do it. She has to pressure clean first to get this dirt off — you just paint over the —
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, okay, hang on, okay, 94 —
AUDIO RECORDING: .7, oh yeah, it's on track, yeah, no problem, okay, as —
AUDIO RECORDING: — far as it's just so crazy that he's giving me a lot more knowledge about everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, real estate's a great, great profession. I mean, honestly, it's one of those things — guys, you want to begin with the right people and start getting the right stuff, and you're going to do extremely well.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I'm learning as I go. I mean, I'm thinking, like, I talk to a lot of people, like, you know, my research and stuff about things, and then, like, I try to ask advice too, because we know that sometimes when somebody has to explain to you the page, they're like — if somebody was to offer this in one minute, like, you know, I started looking at the listings, I started looking at, like, possible scenarios or locations somebody could be at, and then, you know, and hopefully I'll have a lead.
AUDIO RECORDING: Was someone shocked that that listing came up?
AUDIO RECORDING: Of course.
AUDIO RECORDING: Especially for that amount?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, it's that amount, that location, and — and it's like, it's a — it's like, um, it's hard. It's not an amount that, like, um, like somebody would just put out, like, you know — like, these are like billion-dollar houses. Yeah. Like, you wouldn't get more. So, yeah, I just don't want any faults, like, you know, so it'll wait some time, but —
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't think, uh, alarm bells went off there? Not that I know, because — just like, if it was, if the person was very interested about it and knew, like, a lot about the property, all right, it would have been a different story. It would have been a done deal, and they came to even find it, you know, a little bit older. But it seems to be it's one or two scenarios, which I'm trying to figure out right now since I'm still moving and I'm still trying to figure out — how, that's what the thing is, that that property came with the whole listing.
AUDIO RECORDING: It came with all the information.
AUDIO RECORDING: You get all that stuff in MLS. You know, you get all the information and the demographics of everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: But then again, you can have a listing everywhere.
AUDIO RECORDING: Everything's accessible.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I mean, it just was crazy. I mean, it came with everything but pictures. That sounds good then.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, it was so good.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. But anyway.
AUDIO RECORDING: So let me find out first, um, regarding the property, and then we'll go from there.
AUDIO RECORDING: To be very honest with you, I'm not very anxious to find — I think you buy a property like — this is the thing — you buy a property like that, like that reflex that you're talking about, it just becomes a headache for life.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, but then it's like — you don't want to get stuck either in a situation where it's like, it can cause agitation.
AUDIO RECORDING: It can be one of two things, and this is what happens when stuff doesn't hit the end of all our scores. Again, it's not like a pocket listing meeting that someone's able to lift the real estate beforehand.
AUDIO RECORDING: What ends up happening is that, okay, saying you get that property, great deal and everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: It becomes — you get the wrong people in there, it becomes a problem for life, of having some other properties.
AUDIO RECORDING: It becomes a lot of excuses, and then they move in, and then next thing you know, the state uses it. Because they have it. Then at times, public tend to keep increasing the amount.
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly. And then what happens is they tell you, I want to pay this for the rental property, and I want to pay that for the rental property.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, the house — that's not the case. That's the problem. If that's not the case for the client, then we know some things.
AUDIO RECORDING: There's always false leads.
AUDIO RECORDING: Meaning they get people that are like, oh, that's across from this, I know it's wrong. No, okay, I don't really need it, and it says you can obviously work for nothing. Well, I — I think it's one of the two better questions, you know, mostly. Don't just waste your time or get the wrong cannon in there with your rental property, and if it goes ahead, it becomes, you know — let's say even they move out, let's say they take a little vacation. Next thing you know, and you don't know if you're not at the property all the time — and their little cousin, while they're on vacation, is like, he's moved in, he's like, hey, guess who I am?
AUDIO RECORDING: And the next you know, his friend shows up and says, hey, guess who I am? I need this.
AUDIO RECORDING: They're constantly breaking things and they're constantly not, you know, not making sure of fixing.
AUDIO RECORDING: And it becomes a — it will never ever — they will — it'll be like a leech that never leaves you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, mostly that's not — that's not the case. That's why I needed the adjustment center at first. That's why I do all the background checks and everything, make sure like a person really does not — I think we're, I even go forth with, you know, we're trying to look at the property for them, but I was going to just — I'm going around and around for nothing. I mean, that's honestly — that's why these things also are done with contracts. You gotta have a contract attorney look over them, and then you buy them, and then after the property is bought — the property is bought, you know, there is no like, oh, by the way, um, I know I agreed to pay you out, but I'm gonna come to the closing and I'll give you half. No.
AUDIO RECORDING: If you say you're going to do something, you fucking do it.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, if you say you're going to pay rent, you pay rent. If you say, I'm going to buy this building for $50,000, or whatever, or $1,000,000. Let's say you're going to buy a building for $10,000,000.
AUDIO RECORDING: If you're buying a building for $10,000,000, you don't show up to close it and go, hey, I decided I'm going to give you $1,000,000.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: And that's it. Like, you know, you just don't want it to be like —
AUDIO RECORDING: You gotta look at the popular things. It's still here in real estate. But just be careful, because I'm telling you, if you buy the wrong rental property — that's the one that I had in Barrymore.
AUDIO RECORDING: These people are such a fucking pain in the ass. They got nothing but excuses. They fuck you over every chance they get.
AUDIO RECORDING: By the way, did I tell you I had to kick everybody out of the Barrymore property? Everybody's got that one guy Leonard.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, he's the one with the face?
AUDIO RECORDING: That, that Leonard, that Barrymore property? Yeah, yeah, yeah. The one that had his hand into the headache?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Oh, I think they're all... One fucking lady's been there for nine months and filed with the court. She wants an extension to live there.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, but you can do that.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's too bad. You can't let her get fucked. She has to live out of it. Farm.
AUDIO RECORDING: It all just happened to, you know, housing.
AUDIO RECORDING: So now I have it as a halfway house.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh. So I have someone I know, my Russian partner, they basically just gave me a flat rate. There's like probably six people in each apartment, the halfway house.
AUDIO RECORDING: So you have it as a halfway house now? Basically, well, Leonard's plus the halfway house, because people were such a fucking, each one destroyed the place, not paying rent.
AUDIO RECORDING: I was getting zero rent there except for the $400 of Leonard's for a month or so, a month ago.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, that was a mission. I was trying to collect for the property, and it was always like the wrong amount. No, I know. That's why I went there once, and I'm like, it's not gonna be — I don't want you wasting your time. Cut off the clothes and stuff. But I think honestly you need to take your real estate license, you know, I think that would be good. I'm not sure — it's just good. I think, I'm just right now, it's just taking some time for me now. But right now I have all these sites that I have to work on, and it's basically a lot of support, but yeah, hopefully in the long run, tomorrow, I know it would work.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I think getting your real estate license is a lot of fun.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, but the competition aren't very good. The competition is fierce. I mean, you're hot, which helps. You're also bilingual, which helps.
AUDIO RECORDING: But yeah, also, you make the right connections, you know the right people. Exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: I see you come in. Bang.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's true. I do, I have to make phone calls, especially because I know that, you know, when you know somebody always needs a property — especially somebody like, I have one of these expires and I swear I'm reaching out from the store, and it's like, this is gonna be a good thing for me to purchase something because these people are desperate. So look it up, look around, like I said. I mean, if you need someone to lend you money to help you out, I don't know, I don't mind helping out. Oh no, I mean there's a limit, but I would help you out. But, um, I might get — hey, am I going to — I want to see you at some point. Plan today, but I could, I could give you that. Good luck.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm in that office on a federal and commercial, not Ross, but another lady.
AUDIO RECORDING: All day tomorrow, if you want to run off.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, by the way, I got the other one sick. I just went to the one that took it to my mom.
AUDIO RECORDING: And we need to deal with the reason of the price, which is good.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Don't be tired, you know, if you don't need to go to the funeral, because it was just nothing else.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, so it wasn't the training?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no, no, not the lying. Lying for sure is the training. And I told him the last time I heard of it, he was like, if that thing breaks down on me, I'm screwed.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, what does this involve? I mean, the thing is this, that it's a nice big car with something nice on the inside, nice day outside. I mean, hopefully after the train is done, it'll be good for another couple of years.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Pretty much a lot on that. I mean, I know my parents put like $5,000 or $6,000 into the seller's place, but my parents put $5,000 into it and it was like $1,700.
AUDIO RECORDING: So you think you can come by and see me tomorrow or — Yeah, yeah, the city, I mean, I haven't seen it. Yeah, that's cool. Print out more of those, uh, those, uh... Those things?
AUDIO RECORDING: The Mopi and the Family robberies that I wanted to look at. If it's just the pocketbook thing, I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Investigate it, but don't print out any pictures or anything. I'm not even — I'm not, I'm not that excited. I just need to make sure that we're dealing with good people.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I know. And I think a lot of times — a lot of times you're going to end up with another fucking Barabar card being used.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, yeah. You'll get a big headache. Got it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Alright, look up stuff. Print it out.
AUDIO RECORDING: Have a great day at work.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. You're pranking me?
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh, poor white man like me ain't got nobody. We've talked about this.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I was looking for someone inside around the Miami area.
AUDIO RECORDING: People in Miami are so friendly. How do I send them to Miami? I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: I've been practicing my Spanish.
AUDIO RECORDING: There you go.
AUDIO RECORDING: I can say hola, I can say shalom, motherfucker.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, shalom, motherfucker. It's not Spanish for me.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know, but it's universal.
AUDIO RECORDING: Why is it universal? Okay, I gotta go.
JUDGE EVERETT: We'll resume with the testimony at 10:30.
JUDGE EVERETT: Everyone can be seated. If you need to use the restroom or stretch your legs, please do so at this time.
JUDGE EVERETT: Bayless, if you please, can take Mrs. Bayless into the restroom if she needs it.
JUDGE EVERETT: Circuit Court is now back in session. You can be seated.
JUDGE EVERETT: Are the jurors ready?
JUDGE EVERETT: Everyone be seated. We may continue with the examination.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. So we just heard a lengthy call between Charlie and Katie with a lot of property and tenant talk. Does Charlie Adelson then talk to Donna Adelson?
PATRICK SANFORD: He does.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: About how long after the call is?
PATRICK SANFORD: Close to an hour after the last call, he calls Donna Adelson.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish call K, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, How are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good, how are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good, good. I should run a meeting in the office, so get gas, and then I'll be in, uh, what do you call it? I'll be at the office, and then I'll be at a Westman, and then, uh, wherever it's not — like, it's not a Westman.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know what time I'll get out of here, but I'll get back to you guys if you want to start dinner.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just what you might, you know, want to get advice with you. But if you want to imagine a scene, a lot of police everywhere, getting traffic, they just say, be careful.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, but anyway, that's, uh, that's what I think it is, without — without out of question, for multiple reasons, multiple, multiple reasons. Yeah. So I never had a chance to do the return stuff for yesterday. Oh, okay. So yeah, give —
AUDIO RECORDING: — it back to me. I mean, it's not that valuable anyway, so. But anyway, if Dad wants to see me, we have a fight at school, if he wants to. Well, if there's like a case, or if there's like, you know, you have — I know you have those cases at the office that you want to talk to him about, so. If, you know, if Dad wants to see me for dinner, or if Dad wants to see me for dinner.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's up to him, and he can come by my house, and I'll go get something for them.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, that sounds like a plan. So why don't you let him know how you're doing at your second office, and then, you know, give him a heads up, and then maybe he'll come up and go out for a bite with you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, but I wouldn't leave South Beach until after Saturday, because it's horrible.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh yeah, absolutely.
AUDIO RECORDING: Absolutely. But you don't know what time you're going to get Alex and Lisa? Uh, it wouldn't be too late. I mean, I think that if that comes over at 8, that'll be fine. Well, that's perfect, actually. Because Wendi's taking, um, Wendi and some of the ladies and the others from Nassim's class — one of them's been to class. It's her birthday today, the teacher. So they're taking her to one of those interesting dinners. And then she's going to go. So Wendi had better bring the boys to her house instead of to sleep, because she's going to go straight from work. She probably won't get out of trouble for a while. But that would be good if she actually had something to do at least in there, you know, when I can stay with the boys for the rest of the team. All right, fine. So are you coming back — to leave Miami at 7:30?
AUDIO RECORDING: At 7:30? Okay, I'll tell them. That's perfect. At any other time, obviously, you can get drafted. Yeah. Okay, that sounds good.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. See you later. Love you, honey. All right, love you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Bye-bye.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is there a call later that evening between Charlie and Harvey setting up this dinner?
PATRICK SANFORD: There is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did the dinner occur?
PATRICK SANFORD: It did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Where did it occur?
PATRICK SANFORD: It occurred at a restaurant called Matt Suri.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Let's skip Call L and publish Matt Suri Exhibit 133, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what, uh, Haley agreed with.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Let's figure it out.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think it's in the wallet. I actually think it's in the wallet.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: It happens.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh.
AUDIO RECORDING: I said no. It happens.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is there — a call that occurs after this dinner meeting?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, ma'am, there is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, is that the one we've labeled L.1?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is L.1, 1695.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And what time of day was that call made?
PATRICK SANFORD: It was made at 8:26 p.m. on the 22nd.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish L.1, please.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Skip — that one. Come back to it.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Next, I think we have a bump letter. What is the bump letter?
PATRICK SANFORD: It was a letter that we had mailed to the Adelson residence at the ICON, purportedly from the undercover agent.
PATRICK SANFORD: It was a letter to the Adelsons that we sent to the ICON, purportedly from the undercover agent.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: State's 84.
PATRICK SANFORD: I do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: How do you recognize it?
PATRICK SANFORD: This is the letter that we had sent along with the envelope to the Adelson residence.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Moving to evidence State's 84.
JUDGE EVERETT: State's 84 is admitted.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: You're back.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Could you read what the letter said?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes. It says, "My phone is not ringing, so you don't care about Toto and what he did for you. He knows he is fucked, and soon so will you all."
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so at this point in time where we are in the wire, that's when the letter was mailed, or that's when it was received?
PATRICK SANFORD: It was mailed, I believe, on the 23rd.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, and then I want to skip ahead to April 25th of 2016.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Tell us about Call M.
PATRICK SANFORD: It's a — that's a call from Charlie Adelson to Katherine Magbanua at 7:04 p.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Let's publish Call M, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, you know the way?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, cool.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm going to be at the ICON. When you come over 395, it's right there.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, she's building the ICONs, right? It's all the way in front of me, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Yeah, when you come over, like you said, you have to come there, you can go a little bit more, more, more, more, more. I will, I will. I'm standing outside — I was talking to my parents, I was just talking to my parents about my day. I was standing up. No, I was talking to my parents about my day. Oh, okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I'm just saying, I have to just let Jeff out of the way. Yeah, I know. You won't have to worry about the ambulance for a second. Of course, but I'd rather worry now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, I understand.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, just do me this one favor and just come down here.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, is everything okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I just want you to come down here so I can see. The area in the car, the icon is on the corner of 5th and Alton.
AUDIO RECORDING: In fact, it's that big building where as soon as you're on Alton and you cross over to 5th, mark it right here on the side.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, can I be anywhere else besides that?
AUDIO RECORDING: I can get my car and start trying to find you, but then we've got to drive the car.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'd rather you just come over here.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know, but that is like a heart of coffee.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's stupid for me to not call you on that. Okay, I'll get my car in five minutes. I'll start heading this way and I'll get my car and then I'll leave you somewhere in like 15 minutes.
AUDIO RECORDING: I still need to talk to my parents for another five minutes and then I'm going to leave them and then I'm going to come find you and come to wherever you are. But just to start, still keep heading south.
AUDIO RECORDING: What's your cross street?
AUDIO RECORDING: Alright, 8 seconds?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I get it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do we call?
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I'll give you a call. Do you get it when it, like, waves or whatnot?
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh, sometimes I do, sometimes I don't.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll put my ring on. I don't know. Let me see if my phone doesn't vibrate.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And then next we have a call about 30 minutes later.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hello?
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Hey.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's like, do I, like, walk?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't even know where...
AUDIO RECORDING: Where do you walk? I went to the visitors. I don't even know if that's, like, where...
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh, Mahi's?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, no. Like, I went all the way down, like, the special group, like, um, Negro's right now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh, I think we passed them a little while ago.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, do you see them walking? Is someone wearing the right shirt?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, like, it's a little, little group room.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you want me to go to the market?
AUDIO RECORDING: Wait, by the marina?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes. Do you want me to go by the marina?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm standing by the boats.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, I see you. I see you behind me. Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Are you behind me?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes. I don't see you.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm going to turn right now.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is there a meeting that takes place in person?
PATRICK SANFORD: There is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And was there any surveillance conducted on that meeting?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, we were unaware of the meeting going to take place, because there was conversation on some other platform — appeared to be WhatsApp, according to Katie. And she asked him if he could answer her on WhatsApp. So apparently they were having other conversations we didn't know about. We didn't know about the meeting until it was too late. We couldn't get down there in time.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is there a call that takes place after that meeting?
PATRICK SANFORD: There is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is that M.1?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Tell us about that exhibit.
PATRICK SANFORD: It's a call from Charlie to Donna Adelson, and it's at 10:48 p.m., so it's the night of when he's meeting at Monty's with Katherine. It's after that meeting.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: After Charlie and Katie meet at Monty's?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Katie and Charlie meet at Monty's, and when Charlie's leaving he makes this call to Mrs. Adelson. Okay, publish M.1, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey.
AUDIO RECORDING: How are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good. You were inside?
AUDIO RECORDING: I went for a walk. I'm here walking around, so I'm just getting my car now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Are you still at Lenny's place?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, actually, she comes home...
AUDIO RECORDING: She went out looking, you know, to get insurance, which the neighbor has been asking for a year to get insurance for some people. So you're walking from...
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I'm not in that area right now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, you're not in that area. Okay. Have you got a car for your life?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Can you talk?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, yeah. I have to do one. I'm going to drive by one of these places. Do you want me to come out?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, drive by one of these places and Jack will be downstairs.
AUDIO RECORDING: Stairs. We'll meet him at the gate. Hold on a second. Oh, okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: You need to stand by the gate downstairs near the gate, or do you want to actually come in? No, no.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just — he'll go downstairs now and we'll wait by the gate.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, so instead of pulling into the gate, make a U-turn so you're going — so you can just come out of the car and go on the side street there and drive away right there.
AUDIO RECORDING: So you're talking about by the side?
AUDIO RECORDING: Not the main gate, but the side that faces like right there.
AUDIO RECORDING: That door? You mean that door that has it there? Yeah. The door that has it? It has an opening over there? Yeah, and that metal gate on the side.
AUDIO RECORDING: Good. You want me to go down there? Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, um, okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: So if I see you coming home, I'd appreciate it.
AUDIO RECORDING: If I see you there, I'd just come down here as well. Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, and so far, you'll meet me by the car, by our car. So call me and tell me that you're coming down. That's where we come to you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, yeah, tell me you weren't showing up driving back.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, it doesn't matter. Do you want me to drop you off there or do you want me to drive back? No, I'll drop you off with you. I'll let you drive me as long as I'll go to there because I'll beat you up. I need to call you to change the course. We'll drive back.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I'm sorry.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And shortly after this call, we have one involving June Umchinda, is that right?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Publish M.2, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: June, you didn't run away. How are you doing?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm good. How are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, I'm good. I'm sorry. We're keeping him way too long. I promise I will send him home at 1, 2, 3, or 2.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's fine.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm sorry. I tried calling you like 10 minutes ago. No, it's fine. I'll talk to you later.
AUDIO RECORDING: I really need to call you again in 10 minutes.
AUDIO RECORDING: I've got a bunch of things in the office going on. I'm trying to sort out. It just became a bigger deal than I thought it would.
AUDIO RECORDING: Keep your phone with you, okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm calling you on the 10-meter, okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. Keep your ring on.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So I want to jump to the next day, April 26, 2016.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Call O, please. We're going back to Garcia and Magbanua here.
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: The last call was at 11 o'clock at night. This call is at 9:48 a.m. the next day.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish O, please.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: When you're up on a wiretap, are you able to see text messages?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, we are.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And are you able to see the content of text messages in real time?
PATRICK SANFORD: Text messages that go through the system, correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, and so chronologically we get to what we're calling P. Is that a text message?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Tell us about that text message, please.
PATRICK SANFORD: It's a text message from Katherine Magbanua to Sigfredo Garcia, and it's at 9:52 a.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So just a minute or two after the call we just heard?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct. The call that just cut off — this text was sent right after that.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And what's the content?
PATRICK SANFORD: It says, "Need to talk to you about something else." He was — I'm sorry, that was it. "Need to talk to you about something else."
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And does Garcia reply?
PATRICK SANFORD: He does reply, uh, about five minutes later.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: What is his reply?
PATRICK SANFORD: He said, "Whatever — whatever is going on with you and your homie is your business. This — you guys work that shit out. Don't text me."
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And circling back to that bump letter that was sent on April 23rd to the ICON — did the bump letter arrive around this time, as evidenced by the calls we're about to hear?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, and in the bump letter, Tato is mentioned — I think in the original bump, Tato was mentioned. Who is Tato?
PATRICK SANFORD: Tato is Luis Rivera.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish call R, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Good morning. Hey, how are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good. How are you doing?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good. Yeah, what's going on?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, not a whole lot. Checking up some things in the house. And Vicki sent me the, um, the owl. So, I'm working on everybody's gallery this morning. Some of them next. Everything is good. It's actually all right. Good. You feel better after, like, what we were on, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: I think I feel better. Yeah. It makes sense. That's how it is. Yeah. I mean, it makes a thousand percent sense, you know. And why don't you know? You know, because that's what it is. No, but that's what it is. And you think today those sort of things you can take care of, right? What — what they are, which is, yeah. Um, well, if someone makes a walk-on appointment today, I set it up. It's not like it's 9 a.m. and it's like, I've got to call the patient.
AUDIO RECORDING: Can I tell you something more? I think about it too. When someone writes, "You don't care," you know what that sounds like? A girl.
AUDIO RECORDING: A girl who doesn't care.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's exactly how they sound. You don't care.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I've never met the person, so I don't care about people I've never met.
AUDIO RECORDING: No. Have you ever gotten a note from a girl or a girl saying to you, "You don't care"? That's the person they say. That's the person they say. "You don't care." Well, guess what? I don't care about anyone I've never met.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. It's true.
AUDIO RECORDING: So that's what it was, and that's why you had like a mediation or something from them. And then they're like, well, you're just doing my job. And that explains it all.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think so, too. Yeah. I think so, too. So one third, they weren't the same person.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. Without a doubt.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not. I mean, listen, I know.
AUDIO RECORDING: I actually do know how these things are done. And that was the same thing that I said. It's not a fun thing to ask. Right. No, that's true. It's funny.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not. It's $48.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just enough time. Let me take this follow-up. Go, go, go.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Publish call S, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, hon.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, Drew. I, I, uh, I, who is that lady?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm going to show you a little, probably show, probably a little bit of a, you know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, man, have you ever, um, did you ever check that phone number I gave you last night?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, everything's fine. It's just that I took the day off.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I did not see you well, actually. You didn't go to bed until 5:30 in the morning. So I said at 5:30, I got up at 6:30, and he said, well, look at me, and I said, no problem. I told the girl, but he didn't feel well.
AUDIO RECORDING: His patients are only seen Wednesday, Thursday, and... Hang on a second. Hang on a second.
AUDIO RECORDING: Sure. Okay, can you take an x-ray for me?
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I'll be there in a moment.
AUDIO RECORDING: Sorry, yeah?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, so that was...
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, no, I mean, it's an exact same question.
AUDIO RECORDING: Did you tell him what I told you yesterday? I mean, it's not 100%.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, is he agreeing to see if we do this like that? I mean, it's not.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's just about 1,000%. I know what you worry about, but if you don't know what you're doing...
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no, it sounds like this company usually fixes those bridges pretty quickly. Because I really don't want to come down there anymore. I need to do business with myself. I mean...
AUDIO RECORDING: Just look, hear me out and listen to me. Hear... me out, right? If you don't know who the person is, it could be a much bigger problem. If you know who it is, it's very, very easy.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. And you always, I mean, you guys are notorious for always getting worked up over everything throughout it. As long as I've known you, it's always been — it's always been everything's a big deal, that we get worked up about everything. Everything is a huge deal. And I'm just saying, like, this is no different, but I'm just telling you, like, stop. Because it's not anything more than nonsense.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. You know, I mean, it's, you know, I mean, I'm just saying, like, you could be divorced on everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: You didn't do anything wrong.
AUDIO RECORDING: You didn't do anything to anybody.
AUDIO RECORDING: Somebody is fishing. Let them fish. They know too that you don't have nothing to do with anything. So it's not like, you know, it's like me going to my next door neighbor and saying, hey, I know you're whatever, like, okay. They look at me like I have three heads, you know? I mean, that's pretty much the, you know, pretty much the impression that — and that's the appropriate impression — you don't know what they're talking about. You go, I don't know what you're talking about.
AUDIO RECORDING: So somebody asks somebody to talk to you, and you go, I don't know what they're talking about, and they basically get lost. And that's true. You don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't know what you don't know. You don't know something, you don't know something like this.
AUDIO RECORDING: There's not much you can do to help that person out, of course.
AUDIO RECORDING: But it's not like you do know that person and you're not helping them. You don't know somebody, and you don't know somebody.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, you know, it's like someone talking to me about someone I don't know. I don't know who you're talking about, and I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's hard.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, it's understanding. You get worked up.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not done like that.
AUDIO RECORDING: You tell me that this is going to take a long time.
AUDIO RECORDING: Being in there is the best thing. I know is going to take a long time. You take yourself all over the place and all fucking crazy.
AUDIO RECORDING: That has to stop. I mean, I really don't want to, you know...
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I think I have to talk to you, didn't I? Yeah. I mean, was your dad important that I contact you?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, nobody was. You know, that's not how it works.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, he said he was, but after he spoke last night, when he was in the clinic, he got me to call him.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, because you get yourself all worked up.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know, I know, I know.
AUDIO RECORDING: And it's always, I'm just saying, it's always — you get a little better at times, but I'm just saying, it's always, you know, all worked up.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm trying, I'm trying. I know what — I know what it's like. It's not as good.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know, but I'm — I mean, I understand what you're saying. I totally understand what you're saying. You know, we're out here. You probably watch too many movies.
AUDIO RECORDING: Probably.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not my fault.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, yeah, we get one of them and then the other one we start paying.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, the stupid thing I heard doesn't work like that.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. You told me all the things too.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know. I understand what you're saying.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I got it. I understand what you're saying.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, what you're saying is you better do it. Keep going.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, that's great. I'm just saying, it's not like, you know, there's nothing there, there's nothing, um, keeping things in your mouth. I mean, there really is — I mean, listen, someone wants to bother you with non-sensitive breath, I mean, it's not, it's not a problem.
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, and when you get non-sensitive breath, I mean, they don't give you your number. I mean, everything is so traceable.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, 30 meters, I mean, especially in electronics, is extremely traceable. You get everything. It's an interesting thing. I'll let you on a secret.
AUDIO RECORDING: People — if someone doesn't want you to know what they look like, they wear a hat, they wear glasses, they put on a beard.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, they, they, you know, for $5 at the costume store, you can buy anything with a beard. You put that on and wear glasses and a hat like everybody else on South Beach because it's really, they're... having glasses on, so you can't see the colors of their face. And they go off with a big fluffy hat and glasses and come by.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not bad, but it's not helpful.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, definitely.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, someone has a moment that is either a complete knocker, which it is. But somebody asked someone, can you go there and tell them something? And that's part of the job. That's basically what you do. All right, I'll go there and I'll tell them something.
AUDIO RECORDING: And that's why you dump and you dump.
AUDIO RECORDING: Otherwise, it would not be, you know, good for you. You didn't do anything to anybody.
AUDIO RECORDING: You didn't do anything to where these people are.
AUDIO RECORDING: They're not going to go through the amount of planning and traps, rats, and we're just in and risk because something's going to happen. I mean, like, even the best way plan — I mean, even the best way plan you could have, you know, there could be an off-duty officer dog for a walk, just less, just happen to come around the corner, just happen, something happens to happen. You know, or somebody goes to do something, you actually return, they tear their knee. You know, they're laying on the floor with a torn ACL.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, each — there's a lot of risk when somebody does something. You know, a million, one, ten, two. To do that, what's the reason? There is a reason. And that's why there is nothing that, you know, like, you know, there's nothing that you have to worry about. And it is — it is being looked into.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, that's what I mean. Yeah, I mean, but it's not, it's not like, you know, entrusting. I mean, you know, you'll probably get a heart attack from some things before that happens to you.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, I mean, if you're saying, like, that's probably more likely.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, I'm just letting you know, but I can't, like...
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no, no, no. I don't believe you. I don't want you to. I won't.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll only let you know if there's something very important that I need to tell you.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know, but I'm just saying, it's... And I feel probably important enough that I need to see if it's true.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, I spent my whole fucking night down there like that, I get it. But believe me, I know, I know.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, I mean, I just...
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't... I want you to go home and have some peace tonight, so please, just...
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, no, I was really planning on going down there and talking to you again.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm just saying, like, harder nonsense.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. And I have to tell you this...
AUDIO RECORDING: Great, that's great. When the first thing somebody says is, you don't care, care.
AUDIO RECORDING: That is a girl's life.
AUDIO RECORDING: I didn't even, honestly, I didn't even remember what it was. The first thing he said was, you don't care.
AUDIO RECORDING: You obviously do not care about other people. That's the goal.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's it.
AUDIO RECORDING: People don't write letters. People don't write letters. People don't show their faces. People don't give you cell phone numbers. It's not done like that.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's somebody just messing around.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what I'm trying to teach you. I mean, you have to understand that if somebody is going to do something, nobody will show their face.
AUDIO RECORDING: Nobody will give you a cell phone number. Nobody will write something and put it in the mail.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you know what I'm saying?
AUDIO RECORDING: Each one of those is a huge mistake unto itself.
AUDIO RECORDING: If somebody does something, if someone — if someone gives you a visit, you won't be able to identify their face, and you'll be given 48 hours.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's a visit.
AUDIO RECORDING: Not someone, like, not out in the open. Not in a million-year design or something.
AUDIO RECORDING: So when you get back to work with a visitor, and again, just stop with the nonsense, okay? You know, with all this, you know, when you...
AUDIO RECORDING: What?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: What is call T? We're still on — tell us the date, to refresh us.
PATRICK SANFORD: Yeah, it's still 4/26, the day after the meetings took place down at Markel's and Wendi's house. So it's the day after, still 4/26.
PATRICK SANFORD: This call is between — from Katherine Magbanua to Charlie Adelson at 4:33. So it's about maybe 15 minutes after the call we just heard.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Call T, please?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, you know, I don't know what to talk about. For some reason, I knew you were telling me something about the S-90, but I — I'm not going to talk to the number.
AUDIO RECORDING: And, like, I'm calling the fourth number, but nobody's picking up, so I need to figure it out, because I don't think I can set up, you know, the reveal period for the property.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, it sounds like a really good client. Instead of your wife's place.
AUDIO RECORDING: I actually have — I actually have the number at home.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, so you're trying to remember? Like, I need it, like, that.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I can — I wish I was able to. Like, I was told that you should set this up for me, because, like, I tried to, you know, remember it, and, like, I just couldn't, and I have — I've been calling so many people today, so, like, it's been... I'm going to be home in probably two hours, when I can get you the number then. And then hopefully they haven't looked at other properties yet.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: There's no way out. You don't know which one?
AUDIO RECORDING: Let me see if I can get the number. I got the number at home in my desk.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. But let me see if the number may be some other place, okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. All right, I'll call you right back.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay.
PATRICK SANFORD: Okay, next call.
PATRICK SANFORD: Charlie to defendant.
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Call U, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey.
AUDIO RECORDING: Charlie.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, can you hear me? Yeah, I can hear you fine. Okay. Do you remember the number that was written on that paper the other day? Because I have it at home.
AUDIO RECORDING: And Jones.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. The Joneses called me asking for it because they thought they remembered it, but evidently they remembered it wrong.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I'm going to have to give it to you. I got some paper at my house, so don't worry about it.
AUDIO RECORDING: We didn't write the number down anywhere.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I gave you the number. I just wrote it down at the end of the week. I know, but I thought you needed to get the number down. I didn't. I just heard you calling me out for the number, and I had to pay for it at my house. Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, I'll get it done at your house.
PATRICK SANFORD: Okay.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, next caller — call V, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's at home, and I'm not going to be able to get it to him until I get home.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. It's always the generations that, like, set up, like, what we're doing. We're trying to get the agent, which they're showing — that's why.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's why I was like, fake it — write the number down. I know, but it's like I'm so good at memorizing shit, you know? I have tools here all day.
AUDIO RECORDING: I have like a thousand numbers on my phone now. And now when somebody calls me back, I don't know who it is. I can't see every person's number.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, I'm having a bad time in my job after using a cell phone. That's why you gotta put it in your contact list. You don't lose your contact.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I can't do that. I've seen the rest of the people calling my phone. They don't even want to, like... One day they want to speak up for me. They don't know it's okay because you ordered it from somebody else.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm in Miami Lakes right now.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm not going to miss you on top of your head. Are you all accepting?
AUDIO RECORDING: I haven't eaten anywhere in a long time, sir. All right, come on. By age, I'm not going to remember having breakfast.
AUDIO RECORDING: They ordered it in front of us because they had the same thing I did.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, what's happening? Hey, do you know what time the last station is?
AUDIO RECORDING: That on the cover? Mm-hmm.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm going? Mm-hmm.
AUDIO RECORDING: Why doesn't someone call me?
AUDIO RECORDING: Wait — that guy that came from the other office? It's all done. Okay, beautiful, thank you. We'll get in here before traffic gets... all right. Um, I can — I can get another 30 minutes.
PATRICK SANFORD: And we have another call about an hour later, between Garcia and Magbanua.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: We do? 5:35? 5:35 p.m.?
PATRICK SANFORD: P.M., correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Call W, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think I remember one of the issues that I had to call you, one of the properties. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know if they can call you because I have to get it over to you. Yeah, I try to be consistent each time.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I believe it's 305-712-557.
AUDIO RECORDING: I get it, I get it. So the listing for the branch is?
AUDIO RECORDING: It's a 3057 as well, or 6570?
AUDIO RECORDING: 5570. Well, I don't know. Gee, you're confusing me. It's a 3057 as well, or 6570?
AUDIO RECORDING: I think that was one of the ones that I tried.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll, I'll the right number phone.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, there's been a lot of discussion about different people calling the number. So far has anyone called the number yet?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, no one.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, all right. I want to put a pin in that and go back to the Matsuri restaurant conversation between Charlie and Harvey Adelson. Remember that exhibit?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, 133.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: I want to revisit that. There's actually a couple portion — additional portions — I want to publish, so I'd ask to do that at this time.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: That — That restaurant conversation that we had a technical difficulty with — L.1 — I want to publish that at this time.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Yeah, it's a different part. Maybe, you know, maybe I'll stay a little bit later. It's different. It's not the same.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Two strikes on that one. We'll try again later.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, so let's take back up where we were.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: I want to go to April 27, 2016.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Call X. Could you tell us about that call?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yeah, it's a call from Katherine Magbanua to Charlie Adelson at 10:42 AM.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Can I publish X, please?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good thing.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes really. So are you serious? For years.
AUDIO RECORDING: We are.
AUDIO RECORDING: I got a hot dog. I got a hot dog in my bag. You got a hot dog in your bag?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Are these two pretty friendly with each other on the wire?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, they are.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: In this particular call, does Charlie offer a gift to Magbanua and Garcia?
PATRICK SANFORD: He does.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And is that the only instance of that on the wire?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, there were several.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Can I call Y, please?
AUDIO RECORDING: Being a lot?
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think he just doesn't feel like going.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Are you still upset about everything, or?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I'm not having the best day. Did something else happen?
AUDIO RECORDING: No. No, just —
AUDIO RECORDING: a bunch of scans, and maybe another time, just not right now. All right. Thank you, Susan. Everything else is being taken care of.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just so you know, they actually called the person and nobody picked up.
AUDIO RECORDING: Really?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Yeah, I wouldn't have to throw something to me.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, that doesn't matter.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, to throw is nothing, so what's that?
AUDIO RECORDING: But no one picked up the car across the road.
AUDIO RECORDING: I wouldn't worry that —
AUDIO RECORDING: I would not worry at all.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'd worry about other things.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's — you gotta find something you don't worry about. No, I don't want them to leave me. No, no.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no. No, I do not have to go and still make a statement. Yes, fine, you can do the work, but — yeah, thank you. I know you can do it with your free time.
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: All my free time.
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: You never — let me just tell you something.
AUDIO RECORDING: You never write yourself a free time.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, that's not true. Oh, to be like, oh, I gotta do this, oh, and then I gotta do that, and then I gotta do that, and I gotta do that, and I gotta do that, and I gotta do that, and I gotta do that, and I gotta do that, and then I've got to go to college.
AUDIO RECORDING: Actually, I had a role this morning as an administrative professional today, which I realized until the last minute I had to go run out and file a case for arrogance.
AUDIO RECORDING: Good for you.
AUDIO RECORDING: And then I got a big chalazion on my eye last night, so I moved on to CBS and got dropped.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm going to go to Chicago. You are always — I'm really trying not to travel.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm really trying not to, but I'm just saying, you know — I mean, if you're like, oh, it cost me how many times I went down to the hot place and did this thing, that's your fault. No one else is.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, I'm just saying, like, you know, if you've got to find something else to be in this league, you've always got to enjoy every day.
AUDIO RECORDING: It is done.
AUDIO RECORDING: Nothing wrong, and it's because of that. You have nothing — literally nothing — to worry about. Someone's fishing, and someone's trying to make some money because they're struggling. But that will never amount to anything. So sometimes there's something, you know, throw a fish in the line out there and say, "How you doing?" Throw a fish in the line out there, see if they can catch something. And that's right, and I understand why they're doing it. I understand what they're trying to do. But that doesn't make it right. But the funny thing is, they really don't — they're just fishing. That's all that's going on. And I wouldn't, I wouldn't have worried about it at all.
AUDIO RECORDING: ...that, because I'm sure you know. Yeah, I got you. You know, it's not going to change me. Hey, how are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: I need to make sure I look this back up.
AUDIO RECORDING: But yeah, I would not — I mean, I know it's easier for you to say than to do it. But I would not sit around and, like, you know, drive yourself to the point where you get sick because of that. I mean, it's just —
AUDIO RECORDING: You know what I mean? Like, you say "you know, you know, you know." I do. I do. I went, you know — the person I came to was really nice.
AUDIO RECORDING: And then some dumb idiot wants to go ahead and they want to follow up with a letter. Like, and the truth is that the number was called, they didn't pick up, and then she tried calling.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So here he's saying she called the number — she being Katherine Magbanua. Did Magbanua call the number?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, she didn't.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And they're saying, well, the number was called but nobody picked up. Would the FBI have seen if that was the case?
PATRICK SANFORD: We would have, and that didn't happen. It did not happen.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So Garcia said he called the number, Katie's saying she called the number, Charlie's telling Donna that Katie called the number — but nobody called the number.
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, let's go to the next day, April 28, 2016. Do we attempt another bump?
PATRICK SANFORD: We do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And what is this one?
PATRICK SANFORD: We had the undercover call the Adelson Institute and asked for Mrs. Donna Adelson.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and what time of day was that?
PATRICK SANFORD: It was 9:22 a.m. on the 28th.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish that call at this time, Judge, as State's Exhibit 117.
JUDGE EVERETT: Please proceed.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: This should be the first call on that exhibit.
AUDIO RECORDING: Good morning. Thank you for calling the Adelson's office. She's there to see if we can help you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, good morning. May I speak to Donna — Mrs. Donna Adelson?
AUDIO RECORDING: May I let her know who's calling?
AUDIO RECORDING: Sammy.
AUDIO RECORDING: Sammy from?
AUDIO RECORDING: I met her last week and I gave her some paperwork.
AUDIO RECORDING: You met her last week and you gave her some paperwork regarding?
AUDIO RECORDING: She knows what it's about. It's important paperwork.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Your name is Sammy? Yes. Do you have another phone number for you? You can be reached — my number is 305-712-6570. Oh okay, because she's not available right now. I can — maybe give you a call back? Okay, just tell her it's very important. I need to find out immediately what she thinks about the paperwork. Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: I met her last week. Yes. Thank you so much. All right, have a good day. All right, you too.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: A — moment to confer, Judge.
JUDGE EVERETT: All right.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish. Within 20 minutes of this call, do we have a call between Charlie Adelson and Donna Adelson?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, we do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Publish call Z, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Charlie?
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey. How are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, are you in the office or holding the room? No, no, I'm driving to the office now. What's up?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, um, Erica called me this morning, and because Daddy's on the road to the office, Erica called me and she said — she doesn't normally bother you with this — she says, "I don't think they'll call a lot, but somebody called this morning and he turned his name in with 'Sammy,' and he gave me some very important papers last week, and you haven't heard from me, so we want you to call me back, and here's my number." So okay, so I want you to verify the number was the same told you that, so obviously I'm not going to call the number.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, what's your suggestion? The odd thing is this — that's the same number you gave me, right? I don't know, because I gave you the number, I never kept it. You kept it. Tell her what the number was?
AUDIO RECORDING: 305-712-6570.
AUDIO RECORDING: 6570.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, it's so much easier.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, that's the same number, and it was called. You know what we've done.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, so someone called today? We called the office. The American called me. She said, "I hope I'm on call," and it's probably a sales call. Yeah, that's — let me tell you something, I'm looking into it right now. Yeah, I think that you were, and it's a little bit embarrassing. I know, and that's the odd thing. So let me do this — let me call somebody. Yeah, and I would — I wouldn't want to trust you. I wouldn't worry at all.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I'll tell you why, especially because you know who it is. So let me call someone and take care of it now, okay? Thank you, Shannon.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And at the conclusion of this call, does Charlie Adelson attempt to call Katherine Magbanua?
PATRICK SANFORD: He does.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: What happens?
PATRICK SANFORD: He goes through to a voicemail.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Does he leave a message?
PATRICK SANFORD: I don't recall. I don't believe he did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Let's listen to AA, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: The clock —
AUDIO RECORDING: — of 7-8-6, 5-6-4, 1-3-1-2.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Message?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, he did leave a message.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, thanks. And then after that, did he attempt her a couple more times?
PATRICK SANFORD: He did. He called and did not reach her.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, so we've got, I think, 9:49, 9:51, and 9:54. Does that sound right?
PATRICK SANFORD: That sounds right.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, does he ever get up with her?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, she finally calls him back.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and what time is that?
PATRICK SANFORD: 10:43 a.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish BB, please.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: What happened — Judge, this call is seven minutes in duration. Would you like to break for lunch after playing this particular call?
JUDGE EVERETT: I'm sure the jurors will agree with that.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Very sure they would as well.
JUDGE EVERETT: All right, let's play BB then.
AUDIO RECORDING: Somebody called my dad's office today looking for him.
AUDIO RECORDING: ...that they dropped off some paperwork on the student.
AUDIO RECORDING: What?
AUDIO RECORDING: There was a phone number on it.
AUDIO RECORDING: And actually, the person left a message with Erica.
AUDIO RECORDING: And Erica called my mom because she's like, you know, I'm not able to call you up. But at the time, she got a phone call.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: What's the phone number that they're calling from, though?
AUDIO RECORDING: I can ask Erica. Erica, Erica, Erica said, "God, I didn't understand. Me, called me on this morning saying that I let some people work with Dr. Adelson last week, and I left a number on there and he needs to call me at that number."
AUDIO RECORDING: No, somebody's been asking for a reason as well, I appreciate it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, your number's in the third...
AUDIO RECORDING: Call her number.
AUDIO RECORDING: Call her number. You don't want to call her when I talk on the phone.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm talking... I mean...
AUDIO RECORDING: It's someone who wants you to be called back. Let's put it that way.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you still have her number?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, well, I can keep that number, but we can't keep it up.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well... that's not a working number. It's a email number.
AUDIO RECORDING: Move with no respawn, but like, I'm just an ex-skew, if I am, who the fuck is?
AUDIO RECORDING: It's like, get that number that's off of your, off of the thing, off of the number, off of the freaking, um, caller ID.
AUDIO RECORDING: At the office?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, obviously.
AUDIO RECORDING: So this is like a fucking bullshit game.
AUDIO RECORDING: They're not coming out on foot, they're not writing letters, and they're not calling your office because they have nothing better to do.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I don't know what to tell you because I called that number myself.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, well, let's call that number again to find out what the fuck is going on.
AUDIO RECORDING: I understand that they fucking called this morning and they're waiting for the phone call.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what I'm telling you. And if it's three times, 305-712-6577, do you have the number? Exactly. That number is obviously, it's like a non-working number. Okay, can you find out?
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, and it's like, I'm not going to decide. It's either somebody pulling your bone, somebody is just harassing you, or somebody's trying to get something out of you. Okay, I'm asking what it is. Did you get the other phone calls completely at the eye? I'm telling you, look, I'm telling you, and then when you catch the person they're going to be asking you lots of questions about who's Katie is. We already talk about this. It's like not even like a joke anymore.
AUDIO RECORDING: Take it through, find out who the fuck it is, that's all I ask of you.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I'm not talking about myself at all. It is some fucking bullshit and fucking, somebody trying to fucking pinpoint some bullshit, like it's getting aggravated. Yeah, yeah it is.
AUDIO RECORDING: All I'm saying is find out who the fuck it is and tell me who the fuck it is.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know who you have to talk to, but it's, it needs to be missed in the box. No, but I'm not going to shit myself, bro. This is some fucking bullshit.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm not going to shit my motherfucking self.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, shame on you. I got a fucking number. If Erica wants to call back, can I go and do the right number? Okay, I have your fucking, whatever fucking shit, take care of. Okay? This is fucking bullshit.
AUDIO RECORDING: Come on, girl. That's correct, bro. I'm the fucking owner of that fucking FBI. I'm fucking getting irate with this shit already.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, well either you go to the cops, or we go to the cops, or we go to the cops, or we go to the cops. Find out who the fuck this is, because this person evidently knows you and knows your family, and they don't like that. And you don't think that that fucking scared the shit out of me? Like somebody fucking gave my name out there. Well, if someone's messing with you, they're messing with me. Someone's messing with me, they're messing with you. It's the... So what I'm saying is, find out who the fuck it is.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, call them, find out who the fuck it is. Now. Trust me on this.
AUDIO RECORDING: Find out who the fuck it is, dog.
AUDIO RECORDING: Get a number, listen to me, and get a number, and tell me all of the things, because I don't know anything at all.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hi. Alright.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey. Do you have... Do you have any facts with this? Do you have the number I gave you the other day? I have the fucking number. Okay, good. Call it. I called the number.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know you. Get the number.
AUDIO RECORDING: Good. Get the number that calls your fucking office.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. This is the number one. I will... You don't have to call it.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm going to call my mom and have my mom call the officer.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, let me repeat this to you. Do you want me to have Erica go on the caller ID and we'll see what number that was called?
AUDIO RECORDING: Obviously, the call is from someone else. If it's not the same number that you said, how about you call and find out? Try it. Okay, do me a favor. Try that number ID every day, and I'm going to call my mom and tell her to call Erica and ask her to look it up on the caller ID.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Call me.
AUDIO RECORDING: Whatever.
JUDGE EVERETT: The jury will take our lunch break at this point.
JUDGE EVERETT: Once again, you're not to discuss this case with each other or any other person. Do not seek out any information on the case as well. Please return at 1:15 and we will resume with the trial at 1:20. Enjoy your break.
JUDGE EVERETT: Before we go into recess this afternoon, I don't believe I gave the instruction this morning, but once again, it is pertinent as it relates to the evidence and making any facial expressions or making any gestures that you either agree with or disapprove of what you are hearing or seeing. Please do not do that. We cannot have any improper influences on the jurors who are deciding the matter. We will be in recess until 1:15.
JUDGE EVERETT: You may be seated.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: If someone can get Agent Sanford back to take the stand to continue with his testimony.
JUDGE EVERETT: Members of the jury, did everyone get some coffee during the break?
JUROR: Yes, sir.
JUDGE EVERETT: All right. The only reason I ask is each bit of evidence during the case is important.
JUDGE EVERETT: We can't have any shut-eye going on.
JUDGE EVERETT: Agent Sanford, please take the stand, sir. You remain under oath.
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, sir.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Thank you, Judge. According to my list, we're on CC. Is that what you show as well?
JUDGE EVERETT: Yes, ma'am.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, so what... can you set up CC for us, the...
PATRICK SANFORD: The call we just heard, we had it...
PATRICK SANFORD: It appeared the FBI made Katie mad. Yes, that call. Yes, that one was Katie and Charlie talking. Um, and Charlie was supposed to go back to Donna to find out if the number was on the device at the office — correct, if the caller ID showed up and what it read. So CC is, um, on the same day. Charlie to Donna at 10:50, which is about just a couple minutes — a minute or two — after the last call.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, let's publish CC, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, Mom, do me a favor.
AUDIO RECORDING: Does Harrison have caller ID at the office?
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: There is no caller ID? No.
AUDIO RECORDING: Is there a way of looking up what number it was that called?
AUDIO RECORDING: No. I don't think it said that — caller ID at the office. It did, and it stopped working, so you could dump it. But it's not working properly. Okay, because that number was a non-working number. I'm going to have someone try to call it again and find out — maybe it's working now. Okay. All right, I'll call you as soon as I hear something. I'll call you. Okay. Okay. Okay. EE — I'm sorry, DD — please. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, there is no caller ID at the office. Call the number that I gave you the other day. I know it was not working the other day when you called — call it again. It is very important. And that will be a working number. Okay? Exactly. So...
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm telling you, I'm going to fuck you up if you're going to send me outside to fucking scream, okay? Call that number — whatever it is. It's either somebody's fucking with your family, fucking with my family, fucking sending somebody off.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I don't know what you're fucking doing. And you know what? You're thinking. You're not thinking. You're not thinking.
AUDIO RECORDING: Doctor, what do you want me to do?
AUDIO RECORDING: You want to call my fucking boss?
AUDIO RECORDING: What, that? You can't talk on my fucking phone!
AUDIO RECORDING: I can tell where you call from. On the train?
AUDIO RECORDING: My car's gone.
AUDIO RECORDING: Call... the train.
AUDIO RECORDING: And the number's been called a hundred times.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I'll call it. If you go, you go ahead. No, no, no. You go ahead and you fucking find a fucking phone and you call. And find out what the fuck is going on.
AUDIO RECORDING: If they pick up.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because they're obviously not — it's not a working number. Do you find another phone, and who you will call?
AUDIO RECORDING: Whatever setup this bullshit is, there's somebody trying to fish for fucking some shit and just fucking throwing it on me. Oh, whatever. Oh, Charlie, stop.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, well, there's nothing that we can listen to in whatever conversation they want.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll call from the office, and then from there, I'll call you. Exactly. Thank you.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, I need all this.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, this is Darlene.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, what's next?
PATRICK SANFORD: Next is E-E — um, I'm sorry, E-1.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: No, I think we have E-E still. Okay.
PATRICK SANFORD: EE. Charlie back to Katie again — 37 seconds, at 11:17 a.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: We're here to publish.
JUDGE EVERETT: Mrs. Adelson, if you need your amplification device or your headphones, please wear them. It's very important that you are able to follow all of the evidence as it takes place during the trial.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Sorry — 6-7. And see what it is.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. You got it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, you haven't heard anything from McDonald's, have you?
AUDIO RECORDING: So what?
AUDIO RECORDING: You haven't heard anything from any of the McDonald's?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, obviously, we're on CPH.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, well, if you need me to do that, I'll see where we are.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, now we go to EE1.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is this the same day?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is the same day. It's like one minute after that phone call that we just heard.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: What I'm going to do is this.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm going to hand SARS-67 my number.
AUDIO RECORDING: I have a strong feeling what I think it is.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think it may be either some private investigator, I think it's the FBI, or somebody just trying to fish around and steal the product —
AUDIO RECORDING: — and see how people react.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, I think it's one of the two. I mean, I'll tell you why — it's a last-ditch chapter to probably try to stir a pot and see what comes out of it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because the thing is this.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not done like this.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not. I mean, you've got to understand — like, I think it's someone playing games. Because, you've got to understand, it's not... A, it's not done like that. B, listen, you've done absolutely nothing wrong. I've done absolutely nothing.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I think it's someone that may think they know something.
AUDIO RECORDING: So since they think they know something, they're trying to stir a pot.
AUDIO RECORDING: So if somebody wrote a suit, it could be because we don't have any information — or, if I did, I could collect my reward.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I don't know of anything.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, the fact that you're being extorted — sometimes people rank differently to different things. Some people are extorted and they're like, you know what, it's a patient, I'm still extorted the whole time. They're like, give me my money back. Go on board with that issue. Well, I've done nothing wrong.
AUDIO RECORDING: But if I go to the Board of Dentistry, it's a bigger fucking headache than anything else.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, even though I'm a thousand percent right in the dentistry I do, in the work that I do, I don't really deal with the Board of Dentistry. I don't want to walk in there and have them say — you didn't tell me, you know — that's funny, I was talking to a dentist yesterday about this.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, that's what I'm thinking. But I think it's — I think it's absolute nonsense. I think it's — I really think that somebody who thinks that they're gonna try to solve this case, and they think it's with a family, and get something, show them how to do it — they're gonna throw their head, and be like, and make some demands, and see how they react. Or be like, oh, they didn't demand it, they didn't react.
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, it's just very — it's just very odd.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's just, I don't know who that is.
AUDIO RECORDING: And you pick up a newspaper, and you see a last name, and, you know, in the old days, you have the, you know, in the old days, you have the, uh, there's no way of looking anything up unless you look through the CIA.
AUDIO RECORDING: Nowadays, a homeless guy with a cell phone could go on the World Wide Web, put a name in, and three seconds has addresses, phone, you know, addresses, and locations, and then for $90, you can find anything.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, you know, that definition is like, me, my house is not listed.
AUDIO RECORDING: So if you went that certain route, you wouldn't find it.
AUDIO RECORDING: But that's what it is.
AUDIO RECORDING: What's even harder is that they're not bugging one of you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because that would be the first person I'd go to.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, that's the weirdest thing, that they're not bugging her.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, that's why I don't want to have a headache.
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't want to trade one set of non-tests for the other set of non-tests.
AUDIO RECORDING: And you also don't want to have someone not being here to work for the other week.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's not working out.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think I'm just going to call them all.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, that's what I want to see if it's not working. It may not be working the other day. Okay, let me see what they want, but I don't think, you know, let me see what's going on.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I'll get my phone and I'll let you know. Okay, Dan, what's the order today?
AUDIO RECORDING: The order is from Tom, and if you see this, I'll get an auction.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. All right, let me call Tuesday. Do you want me to check the order with Erica and call you back?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, just check the order and just call me back in a minute. I'll just text you back.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no, just call me back. I'll tell you that. Okay. I'll learn that.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Does Charlie call the undercover?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, he does. He does.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: On what date? This is the first call to the undercover, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: This is the first call to the undercover, on 4-28-16.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Please publish FF.
AUDIO RECORDING: Family's not been taken care of. I talked to your thankless wife. Why you call me? Who are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: I gave you a number too late.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you know Papa? I don't even know Katie.
AUDIO RECORDING: They've been taking care of it since the family's father has been taking care of it.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know. You don't?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I'm not going away, my friend. Because let me tell you something.
AUDIO RECORDING: I was a driver and you told me the whole story.
AUDIO RECORDING: You told me one of them was taking care of him. The other one was taking care of his family.
AUDIO RECORDING: The family was taking care of Katie and nothing was being taken care of without him.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, we've been taking care of him. We know.
AUDIO RECORDING: We know what's going on.
AUDIO RECORDING: The doctor needs to be taken care of. Do the right thing.
AUDIO RECORDING: He already has the paperwork. He knows what I'm talking about. We know the case. We know who took it. We know who's been taken care of.
AUDIO RECORDING: No more fucking around, man. No more fucking around. This ain't going away.
AUDIO RECORDING: You guys need to do the right thing for the doctor.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's my brother, man.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's my brother, and he needs to be taken care of. His family needs to be taken care of. Because he and people are gonna take care of him.
AUDIO RECORDING: I've never met these people, but let me call you back, okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: That's bullshit, man. You know exactly what I'm talking about. You know these babies. I don't know any of the relationships with these babies, but we know what the fuck is happening. Just take it one more day.
AUDIO RECORDING: Take care. Take care. If that's what you'd like to take care of, take it with you from now.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so in that call, or just prior to that call, did Charlie Adelson hit star 67 in an effort to camouflage his number?
PATRICK SANFORD: He did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and then when he hangs up from the undercover, who's the first person he calls?
PATRICK SANFORD: Katherine Magbanua.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: How many calls does he make to her?
PATRICK SANFORD: At least three that I recall.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. And does she eventually call back?
PATRICK SANFORD: She does.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is that our call, GG?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is, yes, ma'am.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish GG, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Two minutes, hang on a second, three times, and then somebody picked up, and it sounded like, he goes, you know, who is this, starting to call, and he said, what is this in reference to the guy that called my office this morning, and said, this is Simon.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I said, someone by the name of Simon placed a call this morning, and I go, what's this about?
AUDIO RECORDING: He's like, who are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: I go, that's not important.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, what do you mean?
AUDIO RECORDING: You there?
AUDIO RECORDING: So I said, it's not important who I am.
AUDIO RECORDING: I said, what can I do to help you out? So he's like, Tuko, whatever the fucking name is, he's like, someone did a really big favor for you and was there for you, and I'm Tuko's brother, and I was with him in Broward, so I don't know if this guy's in Broward or whatever. He's like, I was with him down in Broward, and he hasn't been taken care of, his family hasn't been taken care of, and he's like, it's fucking bullshit.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm letting him talk as he's hearing a little bit of a New York accent.
AUDIO RECORDING: When he picked up the phone, he didn't sound like a tough guy when he picked up the phone, but as he was talking to me, the tough guy routine sounded like it was coming out.
AUDIO RECORDING: So he's like, listen, I know you guys took care and you're taking care of Katie and Tuto, and you're taking care of their family. Now he needs to be taken care of and I was with him in Broward and he's done a big favor to you. And I go, sir, I don't know, because I know you've been giving money to Katie and Tudor, taking care of their family. I go, no money's been given. I said, I don't even know who these people are, and I don't, I don't know what you're talking about. And he's like, who are you? And I'm like, listen, it's not important.
AUDIO RECORDING: I said, I don't know what you're talking about. No one's paying anybody.
AUDIO RECORDING: And he's like, well, listen, man. This shit's not fucking going away.
AUDIO RECORDING: You've got to fucking do the right thing. He's like, it's not going away.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, is that a mean, bad word?
AUDIO RECORDING: What's that?
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, is that a mean, bad word? He may have said a bad word. He may have cursed. But he left it with me. He said, listen, you may not know what this shit is or whatever it is, but it's not going away, and you need to help Tuto's family, whatever his name is, family out the way you're helping out Katie and Tuto.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I go, nobody, I don't know who you're talking about, and I don't know what I can do for you.
AUDIO RECORDING: I said, you know, he goes, well, it's not going away.
AUDIO RECORDING: And he says, do the right thing. You've got to help him out.
AUDIO RECORDING: Which, when I turned to him, he told me he was his brother. Obviously he's not going to give me his real name. And I was being really polite with him. I said, hold on a second, you guys, give me two minutes and I'll be right there. I was being really polite.
AUDIO RECORDING: He said he's a brother from Broward?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, he said I know him from Broward.
AUDIO RECORDING: Or I saw him down in Broward.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I don't know if this guy they're talking about was incarcerated in Broward, was held in Broward, or whatever. Or did I A, reference Broward, B, reference Katie and Tuto?
AUDIO RECORDING: Same name again, uh-huh.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, so your name and some other guy's name, I don't even fucking know.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, so we were talking about Tuto, which I don't fucking know who that is, but that's two people I don't know, and talking about your family, saying your family's being helped out, which I don't fucking know, other than the hours I give you to go up from the office on the weekend and take care of you. Exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: But that kind of helps you out when you go against earning money on the weekend when you go out.
AUDIO RECORDING: And this is the 301 number you called? The 305?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yup.
AUDIO RECORDING: And he left. And it rang a long time?
AUDIO RECORDING: I want to say it was like on the 7th or 8th morning that it picked up.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's a long time because you didn't even need a phone call to call it up. I was almost like, and he was asking me, like, you know, who is this? He was, he was, listen, I gave that paper to a lady.
AUDIO RECORDING: He goes, who are you? I go, don't worry about it. I go, I'm going to try to see your, try to find out what's going on.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, you know, this person is on the assumption. So you said they're a friend in Broward, or you said they're a brother from Broward?
AUDIO RECORDING: He said he was just, he said he was this guy, this guy who's been there and told my mom he was incarcerated, his brother. And he's saying that he has not been paid, and his family has not been taken care of, and this is not going away. And like, I mean, I'm not, I don't help, I don't just give charity.
AUDIO RECORDING: You can't be like having these freaking people starting new and mentioning names, right? And he sounded, honestly, he didn't sound Latin.
AUDIO RECORDING: And he sounded like a, you know, there's a wind in the New York accent that is, that is tough.
AUDIO RECORDING: But like, the whole thing wasn't different at all. They did not threaten me at all. They just let me know that this is not going away and you need to take care of him and do the right thing. He was there for you.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I go, I don't know who this person is. I said, but, I said, let me call you back later. I said, sir, I said, I don't know who the guy is that you're talking about, but let me give you a call back later, okay? He said, okay, do the right thing.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do the right thing? You sound like a fucking cop that's fishing, that's where an investigator or someone's playing games.
AUDIO RECORDING: But I don't, I don't, he's coming up with a lot of fucking details. I've got some movie details here. I don't know two of the people's names are talking about and you may, you may be in the wrong key and then I feel like one of them is talking to us.
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly. Just one other quick recap, just because I don't want to take, you know, like how did, how did, like, the conversation start?
AUDIO RECORDING: It just ran and he goes, who is it? He goes, hello? I go, hi. He goes, who is this?
AUDIO RECORDING: And I go, I'm returning a phone call.
AUDIO RECORDING: And he goes, what is this in reference to?
AUDIO RECORDING: That was the exact words?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yep, the words and the reference to it. The reference to it. Wow, this is very similar. I can see the words.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. No, no, no. Well, it's still a thing on my mom's hand. Like, so there's words and reference to it. So I said, I'm returning the call to Simon.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm returning the message that Simon had left this morning.
AUDIO RECORDING: That was the name, Simon?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, that was the name when he called up my office and spoke to everything. And said, listen, I gave a piece of paper to Mrs. Adelson last week with a number on it. I would have called it because it's a sign. So I said, I said, okay, I said, I said, I'm returning the message from Simon.
AUDIO RECORDING: So then you knew that it is a reference for this nonsense?
AUDIO RECORDING: So I said, you know what I told you, I said, you know, I go, here's what you, I know that you're a fan, the fans, yeah, yeah, and money, because they can't recognize that, like, we're giving all this money to a fucking family, right, and referencing those two names is Tuto and Cuco or whatever, yeah, supposedly I'm getting one of you and some other dude in my family. I don't know these people, I don't know. So really, he's a brother, he's brother to this person, that's the same person, yeah, he's saying his brother is incarcerated.
AUDIO RECORDING: He said, he said he referenced something that was with him in Broward, so I don't know who this guy incarcerated in Broward county is from Broward, I don't know who these people are, but I don't know, and your family, and who, I don't know who the dude is that you're with or if they're just making up names for who. Should just go to the FBI and say, you know what, let's play fun with that. Exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I don't, you know what I'm saying? You could have been like longer to me, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: Number one, I don't know what the fuck you're talking about.
AUDIO RECORDING: He never said he was going to hurt. And he was, you know, I just wanted him to keep talking.
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh-huh.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's why I wanted him to. That he got to see, you know, who the person is. Yeah, but she wasn't like, you know, giving water is never a lot of water, man, when it's not important.
AUDIO RECORDING: But when he left, it was, you know, it was, it was, like, we need the same money. He has not been paid. His family hasn't been paid. It's fucking long.
AUDIO RECORDING: And it really is long. And he goes, you know, this ain't coming away. He says, do the right thing. Take care of him. He helps you out. I'm like, I don't know. I don't, I don't, I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't, I don't know him.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you believe in Jesus or what? Like, I don't know what that means.
AUDIO RECORDING: But it could be a lot. It's impatient. It's like you run across so many people every day.
AUDIO RECORDING: Listen, in two seconds, you read something in the newspaper, and then you Google the last name.
AUDIO RECORDING: And in three minutes, the homeless man today has the technology to know where you live, where you work.
AUDIO RECORDING: They're picking it up, whether you want to call it or if you don't have a friend to tell, tell someone, like, stop the shit.
AUDIO RECORDING: 3 or 5, 7, 12, 55, 70, correct?
AUDIO RECORDING: 65, yeah, 3 or 5, 7, 12, 65, 70.
AUDIO RECORDING: They need to know that I'm not an AI. It's fucking stupid what they're doing. Like, it's nothing.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm not paying anything. I think you paid nothing. You're just a joke. Yeah, no. What the hell are you talking about? The only thing I want to do is collect my reward from the FBI. Of course. No. No, I want these people to go. I want these people to go to Yale for, like, a 15, like, rent. Do you know what kind of vacation I could get with that money?
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly. I mean, let me go to New Orleans.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I'll talk to you later. Call me later.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, thank you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Bye.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Who is the first person Magbanua contacts after this call with Charlie Adelson?
PATRICK SANFORD: Sigfredo Garcia.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is this the first time? I know that the undercover said Broward to Donna Adelson on the bump, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: But is this the first time we're hearing the word Broward on the wire?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Specifically to Katie. And Louis Rivera was housed in Broward, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: He was.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Correct. That would have been known by Catherine Magbanua?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct. Her and Sigfredo both would have known that.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Okay, and Charlie Adelson says the word Tuto on this call, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: He does. Tuto, we've learned throughout the course of this trial, is a nickname for Sigfredo Garcia.
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, ma'am.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is there any evidence that Charlie did know who Tuto was before this call?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, ma'am, there was.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, so he had referenced Tuto in the text messages before.
PATRICK SANFORD: There were text messages where he'd referenced him.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Knowing that that was Catherine Magbanua's child's father.
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Let's go to HH. Is that a text message?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, ma'am.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, tell us about that text.
PATRICK SANFORD: It's a text from Katie — Catherine Magbanua — to Sigfredo Garcia, and it's at 12:57, which is right a couple minutes after she hung up with Mr. Adelson.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, what does the text say?
PATRICK SANFORD: It says, "Baby, call me when you can."
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Does she wait for him to call her when he can?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, she doesn't.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, does she make a phone call, II?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, she did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And is able to get him?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, let's play II, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: There's like a meeting outside. I guess they have meetings on Thursdays and then I have my own meeting at a conference room. Oi, oi, oi. Okay, I have more information for you. And when I got home this morning, I couldn't type it, I couldn't even take it, because I had to step on my knees because I just heard about it. And I was like — because I gotta call back and back to that, so hold on, give me one second. Oh my God. Hold on. Um, I was gonna tell you. Okay, so this person — the person contacted the office.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hello? Yes.
AUDIO RECORDING: Whatever. Supposedly he said his name is Simon.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Contacted the office saying, "Oh, whatever, I'll give a paper to this person there." Obviously he's doing — whatever they're doing, they're threatening. And like, they're very, very close to reporting the hurting.
AUDIO RECORDING: Whatever it is, he's getting the kiss because my name's involved. And um, it gets — this gets better. So I'm like, "You don't want to push, just tell me everything on the phone right now because I don't have time, I'm working. Like, what — what is it? Like, I want to handle this. They don't want to let me bring up." So um, I was like, "Look, I tried to contact a number, it's like not a word number." They're like — I was like, "Why don't you go ahead and start," she decided, and we'll call a freaking number. And then whatever that person did, they go, "Okay, I'm returning a phone call," and the person goes, "Who are you?" And they're like, "Doesn't matter, I'm returning a phone call regarding something or whatever." And then they're like, "Okay, well, we email." Um, they said my name and your name. And I — um, yes.
AUDIO RECORDING: And he's like, "I don't know what they're talking about. I don't even know — I only — I don't even know if you're the right person to talk about. Probably not. It could be another KB or whatever." And I was — I was like, "Okay, what else did they say?" They're like, "Oh, well, they're a brother — they're a brother of this other person that's supposedly incarcerated, and they're a brother of them, and then they know him from Broward."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I don't know if they were together in Broward, and he got out, or whatever the case was, and he's like, but this guy needs help. Do the right thing."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Like, the fact is that we know for a fact you're helping out there." I'm like, "Helping who out? I worked for you before, like that's it."
AUDIO RECORDING: "That's not helping me out, it's me working for you." And I was like, "I don't know what you're talking about." So they said, "Do the right thing. His name is supposedly Hyman."
AUDIO RECORDING: "They're a brother of a person, better than 100," and they said that name.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I was like, "No, this needs to stop. This needs to stop."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Because somebody is harassing me, somebody is harassing your family, and they're putting my name — and then on me, and that's what — other person's doing it."
AUDIO RECORDING: "It's getting too detailed, it's somebody that's — you know, for sure, for sure." He said that the person had — like, he's trying to get him to talk more. He's like, "The person has like kind of a — new harassment." He — some of the words was a little bit, you know, like, he wasn't threatening at all. He was just saying, "You need — it's time for you to help out this person and their family because he needs it, because we know that — here's what's happening with personal family, this battle and his family, because they need it."
AUDIO RECORDING: And then before that, and he goes, "I don't know what you're talking about." Um, and a person goes, "Well, do the right thing. You don't listen, you like to correct." That's what I said. I was like, "Why don't you just think that? Oh, no, this is not going to end. Do the right thing."
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. Did you get the information where you want me to do it?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no, no. 305-712-6570. Take yourself, because I was getting tired of it, I don't know what's — 712-6570. No, no, no.
AUDIO RECORDING: 305-712-712-6570.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what I said.
AUDIO RECORDING: Obviously, they're putting money in, they're putting money in, they're putting money in, they're putting money in.
AUDIO RECORDING: So.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Here we've got Sigfredo Garcia, the shooter, suggesting calling the cops. Anybody do it?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, they did not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, what happens next?
PATRICK SANFORD: Um, Sigfredo calls Catherine back at 1:46. Actually, there was a hang-up call to the undercover, I believe.
PATRICK SANFORD: I think that was after KK. That was — sorry, I've got my time messed up.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so this is just about 20 minutes later, we get another call between Garcia and Magbanua?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
PATRICK SANFORD: It's at 1:46 p.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Publish JJ, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: To take one of the possible ones. No, they're not mine. They're supposed to be your friends.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, oh. You hear something? You have a friend who wants to talk to you at this time.
AUDIO RECORDING: What?
AUDIO RECORDING: Not yours. I'm sorry.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, all right.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: All right.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and then do we have another call between the two of them at 2:09 p.m. that same day?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct. One more call.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish KK, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: 3
AUDIO RECORDING: -0-5.
AUDIO RECORDING: 7-0-1-2-6-5-7-0. You sure that's the number, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: Take it one more time. 3-0-5.
AUDIO RECORDING: 7-0-1-2-6-5-7-0.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. I'm talking Puerto Rican. I don't have a club.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know. I'm just going to call him again, though.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. I'm going to get this fucking — I'm going to call him. I'm going to get a real fucking — I'm going to call him from my fucking phone.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. All right. Hey, um —
AUDIO RECORDING: Remember that other one? Do you think it's someone?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know. I don't know. It sounds like a fucking message.
AUDIO RECORDING: It sounds like an email reaching to her. Yes. She said, "If you go to Porto, I'm busy." Actually, she called me back.
AUDIO RECORDING: Darling, like what?
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what happened, when she said?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Shut up. I swear to God.
AUDIO RECORDING: Shut up.
AUDIO RECORDING: I swear to God. I don't know what happened. She said, "I'm in Porto. I'm busy. Y'all don't have time to talk. Call me. I got time." Stop it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, what the fuck was I doing? Were you spooking them? Are you some kind of fucking mole?
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what they told you?
AUDIO RECORDING: No. That's what the answering machine said when we called the number. That one answered the phone.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's weird.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's odd. That's what it said. Very.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. That one was fucking — are you guys spooking? Are you using the number? Or are they pretending to be that stupid so now we can get in there? That's stupid.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, so —
MS. CAPPLEMAN: We do have one hang-up call to the undercover around this time, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: We do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And did the person leave a message?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, he did not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was it a known number that called?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, it was not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Seven-eight-six number, correct?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. And then we have the next contact here, LL, between Charlie Adelson and Katherine Magbanua. Is that that same day?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Same day at 4:58 PM.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, here.
AUDIO RECORDING: Two seconds, let me just walk out. Thank you.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, what the fuck —
AUDIO RECORDING: What the fuck?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, she's talking on her own.
AUDIO RECORDING: I said, what other name do you use, like?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, the machine that was spoke to you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, no, they sent it up.
AUDIO RECORDING: And like, were they talking on? And then I answered the machine all of a sudden. I don't know, like, um, it was like 10. I don't even remember. That's what I had to find out for me, you know.
AUDIO RECORDING: And it was like they said, I don't know if they said their name was, or whatever, that I had to do, or something, or whatever.
AUDIO RECORDING: Shit, they said I was answering the machine.
AUDIO RECORDING: All of a sudden.
AUDIO RECORDING: Now I have an answering machine.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like a voicemail, I mean.
AUDIO RECORDING: What did the voicemail say?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know. Let me find out, because he's like — I can't, but he calls at work, and then I think he's going to be fine.
AUDIO RECORDING: When you call, do you call with the call block?
AUDIO RECORDING: Call? Yeah. Do you call?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, but it doesn't matter. No matter what phone you're using, it's still, you know?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, it shows, but it doesn't show who's calling. I know.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know I'm going to drop a call.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. So I did that, ran seven times.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll be there in one minute.
AUDIO RECORDING: Without foul, Viking is the state of medicine. I get broke and it's not foul.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. I didn't know it was my fucking name. You could fuck up a ring.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I would — I would do this. I would, um, H's call again later and —
AUDIO RECORDING: We're just really talking about it like a lady.
AUDIO RECORDING: They picked up my number and they called, and I mean, the only thought in my head is just that one thing — maybe you could find out, or I'm going to wait a couple days. And then I didn't call the person back. The person — when the incident went first, they weren't that ghetto, and I just started talking. They just started talking from the top, but it was more like I could hear a New York accent in there. The voicemail is New York. But I gotta find out what's going on. But I'm staying in front of — I'm gonna call somebody else's phone, because I don't want my phone, because, you know, I don't use — right.
AUDIO RECORDING: And the thing is, one thing to do is, either if you have a person who wants to meet someone and talk to them about what their issue is, or I want to ask them — no, they're going to have an issue, because you don't do — so for any people filming on me, they're saying that I'm helping a kid, or not me, but my family's helping a kid, and her family, and some other guy that's maybe the name of a kid, and I've never met any of these people. He goes, well, you know, but the family has been, and they've been helping, you know, her and her family, and this other one.
AUDIO RECORDING: But he's like — he's like, could you ask me who I was? And I was like — so I was almost talking about — in hindsight, what I should have said was: who? Because this is a big family, there's lots of cousins. Yeah, who — who in my family — is a big family? So what I should have said to you guys: who in my family — who are the Adelsons in family for somebody's money, even if they made me? Yeah. And then I will go to that person in that family, say, who did you not pay? I want to know the name. I want to know the name. The only thing we keep throwing out is that this — that the Jacobson family is helping out Katie, and some guy named T, and their family, and this guy needs your help, and it's not running, and he's like, this problem's not going away.
AUDIO RECORDING: He's like, this is not going away.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, that's a lie right there.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's a false thought, that you're not helping. Like, who the fuck are you? Like, who are you? Listen, okay, you keep calling me so often. You know, like, you're not going to tell JFK.
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, you didn't pay me. Okay, okay, that's fine.
AUDIO RECORDING: You didn't tell JFK. That's just a wrong example. Like, what does that have to do with anything? I don't get it. He always gives that wrong example. Well, because JFK died in 1963.
AUDIO RECORDING: And you weren't born then. My point is that I had nothing to do with any of this craziness. I want to know who — who in my family owes somebody money — because I'm going to go to that person and say, what's going on? And that's the next conversation I have with this person — it's going to be me. If it comes to it, they say who owes money. If someone owes money — you're gonna give me a name?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: Where do you want to be?
AUDIO RECORDING: My mom doesn't know who these people are. My dad doesn't know who these people are. I want to see whoever this fucking person is, trying to fucking say shit or do whatever it is, to your family burn or rot your family.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, it's getting me mad.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know why they keep burning up people that I've never met.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's why it's like, who are you? Number one — okay, you need something. Who are you then? What's your real name? What's your address?
AUDIO RECORDING: Who do you have a problem with?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, who in my family owes you money? And don't say the last name, because I'm going to go to that person and tell them, if you owe this person money, what are we going to do about it? Number one.
AUDIO RECORDING: And then I'm going to tell him to go back.
AUDIO RECORDING: But he didn't tell me who to go talk to. Not like, oh, someone with the last name Adelson. Well, that's like saying someone with the last name Rodriguez.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, someone with the last name Rodriguez. That's why he was like, "Give me the fucking first name and I won't go talk to who was my brother."
AUDIO RECORDING: Who was behind it, I'm going to fucking find out.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, fuck, if it was my brother, I'd find a man to get a reward with.
AUDIO RECORDING: That brother was a piece of shit. So I'm saying, like, he's leaving me — but who owes your friend, a friend's family, money? And this guy texted me. He said, "Listen, I was with him up in Broward. I remember the thing that went off."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I was up with him in Broward. Something about — yeah, something about Broward. I was up with him in Broward."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I remember something about it. He was up with him in Broward. He said he was up with him in Broward. He said it was that guy's gooko or whatever's father."
AUDIO RECORDING: "He said, 'I'm his brother. So I was with him up in Broward when he told me what everything had happened.'"
AUDIO RECORDING: "Who was up with him in Broward and everything that happened? I don't know who he was. He was visiting in jail. We need to, like, fucking — like, if people are just going to be fucking Googling shit or whatever. Well, and that's — well, exactly. But the only reason I'm even bothering to call on you is because I just wanted to talk about you."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Boy, if I'm just the wrong person, then I've been dealing with the wrong ones."
AUDIO RECORDING: "But if this person doesn't matter — like, you're still harassing my fucking family, and I'm going to have to stop."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Someone's face-to-face on the street, when you send them a letter, and then when you start calling their office — the next call is to the FBI."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Exactly."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I don't want anyone to go to jail because, you know, people get mad when they go to jail and they feel like they can't get somebody back. See, when my kids got sold, I did not — I don't even care who fucking sold. I didn't put my money back. It's tough to get sold."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I didn't want to catch the guy that sold my kids. Why? Why?"
AUDIO RECORDING: "Granted. I don't want to put any more than JL in the list of what the fuck it was."
AUDIO RECORDING: "You know what? If it's such a fucking Zane shit, then maybe you should start giving information."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Zane is right. Zane is something — etc. Zane is something, Zane is somebody who owes the money. Not a fucking psyche, somebody's a psyche."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Yeah, I mean, the family's not locked the numbers. So, well, it could have been a car deal. It could have been my problem. Like, who owes God money, and I will call that person. And what money? Like, it is. Like, you know, I can try many different things to do that. Well, but what do you do? Like, if they call my phone back, like, I don't know, I'll come over there and do this. I'm just curious to see who's so interested in your family and what's going on. That's why."
AUDIO RECORDING: "It's like — that's why you're tipping me off. It's like, why am I being thrown into something? Because maybe he wasn't talking about you and some other guy whose name goes like T. He's like, everyone goes by T these days. But whatever the guy's other name is — he said it so quick, I don't even remember."
AUDIO RECORDING: "He wasn't talking about you, your name, and then some other guy's name. But I didn't hear the thing too much now."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I didn't even know what the fuck he was saying. That's what I'm repeating to you, what the guy said. I know it's the first time, but that's the only reason I don't repeat it."
AUDIO RECORDING: "The only reason I call here is because you guys are pulling me — guys, which has nothing to do with me. I know I'm telling you, people that I'm trying to repeat. I know I'm staring at you. I know I'm speaking at a freaking — a freaky, a freaky novel, a freaky role. Every question has a meaning."
AUDIO RECORDING: "So then I asked, I think I called the guy Simon or Sammy. I don't really know what the fuck they called him. What the fuck is Simon? That is such a fucking white person's name."
AUDIO RECORDING: "But then when I told my mom that I called Simon, my mom said it was Sammy. It began with an S."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I thought they were related. Now it's Sammy, and it was Owen, and he was calling Owen. What is your last name? What is your address? Address? Yeah, I can take your mother a fucking letter or meet your mother in the freaking middle of the street. Yeah, that's fine. That's fine. All right, what's his problem? Because he's about to have a big problem. He's gonna have a fucking problem. Have problems."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Yes."
AUDIO RECORDING: "And I'm so — oh my God, I am so fucking lost for a second."
AUDIO RECORDING: "God forbid he thought he said the wrong fucking thing, because now it becomes my business."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I'm the one speaking your name the next time I'm at a reference."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Sorry. I hate that shit."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I do agree. I talked to you about it for no reason."
AUDIO RECORDING: "You never picked up the package, did you? Yeah, I mean, I'm walking all the way right here and I gotta get right there, get my kids. I gotta see — I'm trying to figure out if I can go up. Like, they're on. Okay, let me know."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Yeah, but I mean, you're gonna be home, right? Yeah, I'll be home, actually."
AUDIO RECORDING: "And I'm going to tell you — I'm going to tell you, I have a lot of work anyway, so I have a lot of issues that I have to deal with."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Yeah, we're getting bad reviews online, so we've got a lot of problems too. But let me — I think that's a good review. I know, I know. Let me call it in."
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Next, we have a text message.
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes — text message from Sigfredo Garcia to Katherine Magbanua.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And that's labeled MM. What is the content of MM?
PATRICK SANFORD: He says, "I called three times, no answer, and I did not leave a message."
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is there any evidence that anyone called three times to the undercover phone?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, there's not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and then we go to NN.
PATRICK SANFORD: That's Katherine Magbanua to Charlie Adelson at 7:49 PM, that same date. In case we've lost track of the date, that's going to be April 28th of 2016?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish NN, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: "That voicemail that they have set up — the guy said 'puto,' what sounds like 'puto.'"
AUDIO RECORDING: "And then what does he say on the voicemail?"
AUDIO RECORDING: "Like something in Spanish."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Like 'puto,' whatever, whatever — and it's in Spanish."
AUDIO RECORDING: "So it doesn't matter if it's in Spanish."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Saying, 'What the fuck is this?'"
AUDIO RECORDING: "You can fucking call me if you keep harassing my fucking family."
AUDIO RECORDING: "And —"
AUDIO RECORDING: "Then I was like, 'Keep trying,' but then it didn't take off. So now I'm at a loss because of what the fuck is going on, or —"
AUDIO RECORDING: "I don't know."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Well, that's good."
AUDIO RECORDING: "That's good. Like, all the things are running in my head, because I'm like — with the names that you're saying, and like, maybe it's like somebody trying to like, be like, you know, try to be an apartment or something, or whatever. Like, you know, there were so many things going on. Yeah, I'm thinking the same thing too, but then it's like — yeah, but then, you know, you can trust and you can't. But then it's like, I don't know. I don't know. I honestly — it's, like, aggravating me."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Hold on, I'm gonna go on the phone and reply to me. I'm gonna go on the phone and reply to me. Be quiet."
AUDIO RECORDING: "Hello?"
AUDIO RECORDING: "You could've been celebrating the newspaper and playing games."
AUDIO RECORDING: "And like I said — you were just saying the wrong person. Yeah, and I don't know how the fuck they got your name, but they didn't use the last name, so if they — not me, it could be anybody. It could've been another Katie and another Taco, or whoever the fuck they said, I don't remember their name. But the point is, is that they need to stop."
AUDIO RECORDING: "No, you're not doing wrong."
AUDIO RECORDING: "I'm on the phone."
AUDIO RECORDING: Don't talk to me right now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, I'm boiling still right now. Like, you don't understand.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, it's pissing me off. Like, pick up the phone.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Like, now you don't want to pick up the phone?
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't want to pick up the phone.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. So if you want to do things.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. No, I got you with that.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I just, you know, fucking call it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Basically, you said, hey, you're messing with my family, and if you don't stop, you're going to have a problem.
AUDIO RECORDING: In Spanish.
AUDIO RECORDING: So whoever it is, they're going to have a problem with us, no matter what.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're going to have a problem with me?
AUDIO RECORDING: Go on.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're going to have a problem with me, too.
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: Listen, you're coming up to my fucking mom on the street.
AUDIO RECORDING: Then you're sending letters to their house. Then you're fucking calling my dad's office. You have to just like — that's three times.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, no, he was living. My friend was my friend, and I was like, no, can you do me this favor? Because it's like, I'm not a guy — I don't know if it's me they're talking about. And then he's like, that's okay. I said, don't worry, like, no matter what, like, whatever it is, like, I'm gonna handle it. Yeah, well, I — I feel better, I definitely feel better. I — I apologize for not getting a Hallmark card, but like, I gotta do something. So it's like, right now I'm about to go, like, 15. Like, I'm taking a Zoom call because I'm, like, on edge — like, you don't lose balance. Like, I don't want to punch somebody in the face so bad.
AUDIO RECORDING: You picture yourself — one thing I think is when somebody — I hit your planet and I feel for your parents, and I care for them. Talk to them now. Don't come, don't talk to that parent. Like — like my parents are fucking old, like, like, dude, it's — it's just doing, doing threats. That's why, like, my — third is putting that part. I don't know — you don't understand. Like, imagine somebody doing this to my mom, your mom. And that's when — yeah, I got an entry. Like, I don't know what it is. I don't want to get into anybody's business, you know, but if they did mention your name, I don't like that, and it's going to be handled.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's why nobody's picking up a phone now is, like, frustrating me. There was no voicemail before — now there is. Now there is.
AUDIO RECORDING: Their next phone call is going to be the freaking — not very good either way. No matter what way it ends, it's not going to be good for whoever is messing around. No, I mean, that's it. And listen, I don't want — I don't want some — I don't want any problems. And I've been, like, look at this, I'm taking on somebody else's, you know?
AUDIO RECORDING: Like, I don't even know what the hell I'm fucking on. And I was like, the last thing I want to do is get some guy — the last thing I want to do is have some guy who's trying to extort money and go to jail and then feel like he's sitting in jail because of me. Like, no, like, fucking just leave us alone. I'm not looking to send people to jail.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's not how I live life. I didn't even — but it's gonna happen if this guy keeps doing that, that the police will get involved, we'll get in trouble. That's water, you know, that's right. Especially — you can't be calling them to be business. What's wrong with people? Well, you can't be sending letters, you can't be showing up on the screen.
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly. Like, where am I going? The next thing I come to think is, well, what — is this like a setup, or what do you got to do?
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, or it could be someone, like, thinking like, ah — but the fact that this is it.
AUDIO RECORDING: The next step also, I'm thinking, is in a couple days I'll tell the person, listen, hey, give me the name of someone in this family that owes you money, because I'm going to go pay them a visit. Give me a name. Is it my brother?
AUDIO RECORDING: Is it Robert? And I'll take care of it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, and I will see that if someone owes somebody money, they will pay. But you've got to give me a name, because you're talking to the wrong people.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're not. And frankly, who are you? Katie, I have cousins.
AUDIO RECORDING: I've got a huge family.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you want me to — do you want me to try to meet up with you, do you want me to just leave it for you to pick up tomorrow? Yeah, okay. I'm just gonna work out. Tell me — go work out and call me.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, hit me up — meet you, or you'll pick it up tomorrow.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I'll call you in like an hour. You have an hour left.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, call me in an hour. All right.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Then the next call we have is OO. Can you set that one up for us, please? This is Charles Adelson to Donna Adelson at 9:47 p.m., that same date on the 28th.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, please publish OO. I've got a couple different clips, because it's quite a long call.
AUDIO RECORDING: Thank you. How are you doing?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good, good. Just working out.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Have you gone to your place?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, what happened this afternoon?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, nothing yet, but I did — I'd rather not talk to them. Yeah, okay. So, tomorrow — I was going to tell you this — actually, my dad is with Jessica right now and I'm not finished, but she came up with a brilliant suggestion. Yes. And I was telling her that tomorrow for my birthday we can look at our tickets to go to Las Vegas. We did one festival, and so we have tickets. I think it's supposed to be from 7:30 to 10:30 at night, so we go 6 to 10:30 or 11. Oh, really?
AUDIO RECORDING: So, um, we moved to the courthouse on our way, because — oh, we won't be up there at any time. We're going to actually, um, we're going to experience a little parking. It's like parking by the Riverside Hotel, I think they said, and parking, um, by — in a — in a garage by, uh, Hitani.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, so that was her suggestion. She said, let me make sure that the trolley truck can park there and take the Uber over, and I said, you know what, I can do that. That's a good idea.
AUDIO RECORDING: Would that be alright with you? Yeah, or you can take the limo. And actually, the limo's gonna be fixed.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Because I was saying, I'd rather just take the limo and go up there. Yeah, that was a good suggestion.
AUDIO RECORDING: Even more great, because it's always buffering, and I never...
AUDIO RECORDING: Let me see. I can ask Alice to see if it's in the shop.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, but it doesn't matter. You can suggest that we take the — leave our car in your driveway and take an Uber. So that's what we're trying to do. I just realized that we may not be able to park there.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I thought we'd try to park and... Yeah, well, with the limo, if you get dropped off, the infection will want to pick you up.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right, right.
AUDIO RECORDING: But, you know, if it's been fixed, it's been fixed. But if you can't get a parking spot, you won't get a parking spot. Yeah, either that or just park in the house. Okay, I just wanted to verify that.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: So where are you going to be tomorrow?
AUDIO RECORDING: Humber Pines.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's so different every day.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, no. I, um, I mean, nothing — uh, nothing, nothing great. I, I guess I'm about — I'll —
AUDIO RECORDING: Tell you what it is, right? Yeah, we'll talk tomorrow, we'll talk tomorrow. So maybe, um, if you're — if you're at the point where there's a chance that we can combine, either on our way down or on our way back, um, you'll text me, text me, and I'll text you. There's no problem. So when I stop, I mean, uh, I'll tell you where I am — I'm at Memorial Hospital, so there's — I have — there's like zero parking. I have to come down there. It's not — it's not so easy to come out.
AUDIO RECORDING: Two wives. Two wives were married before.
AUDIO RECORDING: And he was married six times, ten kids, and thirty-four grandchildren.
AUDIO RECORDING: And like ten great-grandchildren.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, I'll tell you what I see. But it's nothing new.
AUDIO RECORDING: If someone — I'll tell you what I see. Yeah, I will tell you one thing.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm about 99% sure that's what it is. And I'll tell you why — the number one reason of this: too well-spoken. No threats.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I made it clear, I don't know who these people are.
AUDIO RECORDING: The person seemed surprised.
AUDIO RECORDING: He was like, really?
AUDIO RECORDING: I go, yeah. I'm like, listen, I don't know who these people are that you're talking about.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, and he took the route of like, you know, you gotta take care of so-and-so, you're taking care of this family. I go, I'm not taking care of anyone.
AUDIO RECORDING: I said, he left it with me to do the right thing.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's not language.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's when someone says "do the right thing," and I'm going to tell you something — think about a high school, you know, a high school fight or a high school threat. "Well, I'm gonna kick your ass after school." I mean, just that simple. I mean, listen, you're getting — that's just how people talk. Your dog shits on the carpeting, I'm gonna kill him, I'm gonna — I'm gonna beat your ass. Like, you know what I'm saying? Like, I didn't talk like that about Ben. I'm like, you just smack his ass. Like, that way he hears the threat.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you notice the one thing missing from everything?
AUDIO RECORDING: Never once was there a threat.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you notice the one thing missing? I mean, even if you don't mean it. I mean, I'll say to Ben, "I'm going to kick your ass if you hit me again."
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you know what I'm saying?
AUDIO RECORDING: Sure. That's not accidental.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because that's the first thing you tell someone — "I'm going to beat your ass," or "I'm going to do this," or "I'm going to break your legs," or "I'm going to do this."
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you notice, not one time has there been a threat — even an implied threat, like your health or anything like that?
AUDIO RECORDING: Those, you know, you know — just people.
AUDIO RECORDING: But, um, but no — I, is that the other thing? I am so sure that it's that.
AUDIO RECORDING: And it makes — it makes complete sense, even a couple things.
AUDIO RECORDING: One, the timeline.
AUDIO RECORDING: Two years later. I mean, you have to understand, they want — and listen, if I had any information, I would talk, I would help out. I don't — I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: But you gotta understand, without a question, without a question, I would be beyond shocked if the family doesn't hire their own private investigators. Okay. I would be beyond shocked. But really, what are they going to do? They have to — they're not going to be able to go knock on a door and go, "Hey, did you do this? Oh, okay, just thought I'd stop by and ask." They have to come up with a plan that's going to stir the pot, so that if there is something going on, like — what are they looking to — what are they looking to achieve? What are they looking — yes, finish up — what are they looking to get out doing this nonsense? This is money? I'll be shocked, because the way you collect money is you go to someone and tell them what you're gonna do to them. You give them 48 hours and you tell them where to meet somebody who's going to drop it off, and if there's any nonsense, you know, this X, Y, and Z is going to happen to you.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's it. If you can get one of us, you can get one of us, because no one else is taking it out.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's done with such precision and being ruthless.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you know what I'm saying?
AUDIO RECORDING: So what happens is, it squeezes somebody, and they don't have a choice to think straight, and he's just going to give you the money. Do you know what I'm saying? Like, even if you're innocent, you say — someone's saying, "Listen, I'm going to the Board of Dentistry tomorrow unless you walk into that office and write me that check. I am writing the Board of Dentistry tonight when I go home and finally my complaint, and I will sue you tomorrow. I promise you, if you don't like that check back on the fence real quick — it's just, I want the money for everything," and I said, "We already agreed that I'm giving the money for whatever fail," and she is one of the men, all those looking. Yes, she does know. "I want the money for absolutely everything. I already spoke to my attorney. There will be a lawsuit filed and a board complaint filed before the end of this week if I'm not able to pick up that check. Do you understand?" And —
AUDIO RECORDING: The work was fine, the last — the work, over half the work took — where do you think I did it? There was a check, yeah. What was the accusation, actually? So — but that — but I'm thinking to myself, well, these people aren't looking for a check.
AUDIO RECORDING: They're not.
AUDIO RECORDING: What do they want you to do?
AUDIO RECORDING: What's the one thing they want? They know what they want. I mean, that's not what they want to show you, it's not. I got it, but they don't know that. So what do you think the one thing they want?
AUDIO RECORDING: They want everybody to start talking.
AUDIO RECORDING: They want you to hand-deliver yourself, because they think you know something. Something — but they want you to hand-deliver yourself and start talking as much as you can. And when you walk in — because otherwise, if they were to just come to you tomorrow and say — I mean, they get the same result, but I'm saying, if the cops were to come to you tomorrow — "They've gotta come down to the station with us, we need to talk to you" — you'd be like, "You know, I don't need this aggravation. If — in your business card — if I could help you or hear anything, I absolutely will." Right?
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what the answer is. But if you go ahead and make it seem like, you know, you're being extorted or blackmailed, right, or something crazy like that, then what are you going to do?
AUDIO RECORDING: You're going to run down there and start talking to yourself.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's right.
AUDIO RECORDING: This is not someone who started doing this yesterday.
AUDIO RECORDING: So this is not someone who's dumb.
AUDIO RECORDING: This is someone who's super smart.
AUDIO RECORDING: And they know this, in a lot of times. This is what goes on.
AUDIO RECORDING: But it's real odd that the amount of time that's passed isn't safe.
AUDIO RECORDING: It would be like having a dental office and be like, you know, "How do you get paid on a case from four years ago? Let me try and go to the collection."
AUDIO RECORDING: Four years ago — how do you not realize that you weren't paid on a big case that you did four years ago? I mean, none of it makes any sense.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's why I think it's more that mom was out of her depth. Do you know — the lack of threats?
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, there's moms. There's no threats. I mean, "soon you'll be fucked" — what does that mean? Is it someone's going to write a bad review on Google tomorrow?
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, I mean, it's almost like they were afraid to say that they're going to break your leg. Like, almost like they can't go in that — they can't do that, because once they do that, they're gonna cross lines that they themselves can't cross. So, you know what I'm saying? I just hope they don't go involved. Well, listen, if they do — I mean, listen, they bother us enough. If they bother anymore, if they're not — they're not far from just going to police. You know, when you're going to police too. And that's the other thing too, is that when I spoke to Dan, he said, you know, we don't get to say anything, because the last thing we want to do is ask him who he is. I don't want to scare her. I know. She was scared from day one. She's finally over being scared.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. And if she heard this, she would be surprised herself. Absolutely. And you know, the thing is, as long as everybody handles every situation differently — it's like somebody has a death in the family, and if they don't act devastated and everything else, well, it doesn't mean that they have no responsibility for it. No. Everybody handles tragedy differently.
AUDIO RECORDING: Or confrontation.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, some people — you know, it's like fight or flight. I mean, some people are confrontational, some people are having a nice day, some people just turn their back and walk away, some people ignore it.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, you get — and none of them, and who's to say what's right and who's to say what's wrong?
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, there is — there is nothing — uh, but that's what my original feeling today. Yeah, I don't want — I don't want Wendi to to then get stressed, and now that I'm worried about her.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, it's funny. I called Katie and I said to her, listen, I said, "You're the only Katie I know. I know other Katies, you know, but I've known you a long time. I don't know if they keep referencing you." And I told her, I said, "If I'm wrong, and they're referencing somebody else — if it is a common last name or a talented first name, if they didn't tell me a last name," and I said, "If you're the wrong person, then I feel horrible that they're trying to bring you into this or whatever."
AUDIO RECORDING: But she told me she had somebody call, and the voicemail wasn't set up before, and then she called a couple times, actually. She walked her number a couple times, and then it was on, and then the voicemail was set up, and it was in Spanish.
AUDIO RECORDING: So she has a friend of hers who left a message for that person, for that person to — I think it was a guy that she had called, I think, I don't know for sure, but I think the guy was not very happy and let the person know it on their voicemail and basically told them on the voicemail what, you know — basically, "You need to stop running about, or you're going to be having a very, very, very, very big problem," and asked that person to give them a call. That's kind of a message I got this afternoon. And supposedly her friend was very angry, very, very angry, and they voicemail in Spanish to the person who spoke to them in Spanish, and basically told the person that what they got coming to them, and just call back if they didn't have a good work with them. So that's — that's what I heard this afternoon. So — but it's, it's definitely — when I spoke to the person, definitely had a New York accent. Yeah. Oh yeah, no it's not. And then that person was the same voice on the voicemail. So I, I think that it's somebody — somebody playing games and position, because it's the same — it's the same guy. It's not. And the person's doing an awful, awful bad job of hiding who they are. You gotta remember something too — somebody's gonna do something.
AUDIO RECORDING: They know — they, when they come to you, they're gonna come through the patent glass. They don't want you to see — with that, you know, the whole thing that I told you before. It doesn't have to, you know — if you look at, there's 15 different things on the language, the fact that there's no press, the fact that the person's using devices that they can easily be traced to, the fact that the person's language — the last thing they said to me was "do the right thing."
AUDIO RECORDING: That is not — yeah, that's okay, that's — to do the right thing — what is this, like a stage school speech, "do the right thing"? In-person wasn't angry. I mean, they're pretty calm talking and good. I was real nice to them. The truth is, I'm trying to figure out what's going on, what's this about, but I don't — I think —
AUDIO RECORDING: It's a bunch of nonsense. I don't want to scare Wendi. If they do approach her, then at that point, you know, that's what I'm just going to do. Okay, let me let you go to work here. I thought you'd find that interesting. Yeah, you find it a little interesting or not at all? Oh, yeah. So yeah, I mean, it's about — trust me, someone telling you to "do the right thing," that's when someone's appealing to your sensitive. When someone's saying "do the right thing," it's like saying, come on, help me out.
AUDIO RECORDING: People — I mean, if they are who they say they are, they don't appeal to your good nature and say, come on, help me out. They want to get dialogue going.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I told him, I'm like, we don't help anybody out that I know of.
AUDIO RECORDING: We're not helping anyone out. We're pretty much at a loss of what these calls are about.
AUDIO RECORDING: And he was like, "You don't know who I mean? They don't know who any of these people are?" And I'm like, sorry.
AUDIO RECORDING: But, you know, the next thing will be — we'll see what happens. A couple days from now, if I have to, I'll reach out again to this person and ask them. Because I've got to tell you, I'm curious to know who from my family has this — whoever this guy is that he's named, he knows, spoke to. That's why I think it's also nonsense.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because what I want to know is — you know, I mean, obviously we have cousins and we have close family friends, we have, you know, I got a brother up in New York, but I want to know.
AUDIO RECORDING: I won't reach out unless they show up again. But, you know, whether it's a letter or whatever, the point is — as soon as they take a lot of money to do a job, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: So they're trying to investigate.
AUDIO RECORDING: How do you get the investigation going? You stir the pot of soup, and you see what comes up from the bottom.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what we need on top.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, if that's what it is, you're doing...
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, listen, you've got to put yourself on the other side.
AUDIO RECORDING: If this was your family member, you wouldn't hire a private investigator? If you hire someone or whatever you're trying to do — if it's someone saying, hey, listen, listen, they've got theories out there, okay? This is probably one of their theories: that Sheldon and our family paid for something to be done, right? So if they paid, it would make sense that someone's come back for the law.
AUDIO RECORDING: So let's either make up some sense or make up some means or do something like that, and see if all of a sudden it's — and listen, does it either A, bring them to the police so they can sit down and tell us what they know, which is fine, tell them what they know, or do you go ahead and claim the bribe?
AUDIO RECORDING: They didn't have to go out and kick doors down — they all showed up. It was really funny. It was like 90 people. Yeah, they worked it. So it's nice. It's a good idea. I just think they're barking up the wrong tree. But listen, if they go to Wendi, the purpose is, like, without stressing her out — and she'll be the first one to go through that, yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Should we have a stretch break?
JUDGE EVERETT: There goes the jury. The bailiff will take you to the jury room.
JUDGE EVERETT: With the testimony in 10 minutes, please use the restroom or stretch your legs if you need to now.
JUDGE EVERETT: Members of the jury, as a matter of scheduling, I'm discussing this with the attorneys. We will have a bit of a shorter evening.
JUDGE EVERETT: The state does have some additional matters to conclude with Agent Sanford, but I believe we will have our recess a little bit earlier this evening. You may continue.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Oh, these promises you make.
JUDGE EVERETT: Well, the other way of saying it is we're going to hold you captive listening to phone calls.
JUDGE EVERETT: However, the pleasant way.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Torture will continue until morale improves.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Let's skip to RR. Could you set up RR for us, please?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, it's on 4/29, the day after all the calls we just listened to. And it's Katherine Magbanua, 102, Charlie Adelson, at 3:03 p.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. RR, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, what's up?
AUDIO RECORDING: Your phone was weird. It was like you were giving a dial phone.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, it was weird. I tried picking it up, and you weren't there.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, it's not a... Hey, I'm trying to talk to you. Hey, what's up?
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. No, I wasn't going to call you today, so I was going to...
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm not going to have, like, where you left my shirt.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Are you still in the store now? Because I have the operating gas.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, they don't have the operating gas.
AUDIO RECORDING: They don't have it over here. Huh? Yes.
AUDIO RECORDING: Are you in the gas station or are you in the house now?
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. So.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh.
AUDIO RECORDING: I didn't know what a married man with kids wants for his birthday, so I thought, if I was married and I had kids, what would I want for my birthday?
AUDIO RECORDING: Go though?
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's what you do.
AUDIO RECORDING: But I forgot to get it on.
AUDIO RECORDING: I didn't have time to get a card from Walmart to say exactly what I wanted to say. So, I mean. You never did an expression of yourself in your life.
AUDIO RECORDING: I never did an expression of myself, anyway.
AUDIO RECORDING: But anyway, I think that — I mean, I think I hit the nail on the head with the birthday present.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think I did it as a part.
AUDIO RECORDING: Wow, so natural.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know. What was I going to say?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm just saying, I've always been living in the sun and shit.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't think there were any other ways. I know. The other day I saw a boy that ended up buying an umbrella.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, okay. Just like, every time I need to do it, it was just me.
AUDIO RECORDING: No one.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes. I mean, I never looked up. Can you roll this for me, please?
AUDIO RECORDING: How far are you from the house?
AUDIO RECORDING: Right now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Are you there now?
AUDIO RECORDING: I walked in.
AUDIO RECORDING: Call me after you open the door.
AUDIO RECORDING: Take your shirt off and read the number. Take your shirt off so you can read the number that you wrote down. Oh, you're so stupid. You're so stupid.
AUDIO RECORDING: Wouldn't it be easier to just write it on your hand if you wanted to do that? You're a fucking idiot.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're just so weird. I don't know, man.
AUDIO RECORDING: As long as I'm... I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know. What did I write?
AUDIO RECORDING: I can be good looking or I can be smart.
AUDIO RECORDING: But I choose to be good looking.
AUDIO RECORDING: But who told you that lie, bro?
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not with me. It wouldn't be fair to anyone if I was good looking and I had flowers.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, is this the ring? This is the one I was supposed to have?
AUDIO RECORDING: It just makes me good looking. Let's go out, Sam.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right now? You're marrying me. Wow.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Is your son going to have money?
AUDIO RECORDING: Is my what?
AUDIO RECORDING: Is your son going to have money?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know. Can I have a ball?
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, yeah. Can I have a ball?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Damn, you know, and you also come up, there's a Ferrari in here.
AUDIO RECORDING: Ferrari, you spent how much on the Ferrari?
AUDIO RECORDING: And you said it was your dream car?
AUDIO RECORDING: Just think, spend the same amount on the ring, you get your dream girl.
AUDIO RECORDING: Like Junco, like Junco was 19.
AUDIO RECORDING: Why don't you just put in your girl, my car's gonna come home.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's an air freshener.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh my god, you know, what the fuck?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't want to look at you, you know. I would have taken you to the Ferrari, that would have been a good project.
AUDIO RECORDING: I haven't used it in my time, I guess. Time?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, that's just what you need to do.
AUDIO RECORDING: What?
AUDIO RECORDING: Bring the Ferrari home, that's what I think I'd do.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, well, would you double value?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Did you open it?
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: Did you put it in your trunk?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know about that.
AUDIO RECORDING: Why?
AUDIO RECORDING: It's open. It's open when you get home.
AUDIO RECORDING: Why?
AUDIO RECORDING: Hold on one second. Hold on one second.
AUDIO RECORDING: Why is it so hot?
AUDIO RECORDING: Did you open it?
AUDIO RECORDING: Did you open it when you get home?
AUDIO RECORDING: Why? What happened?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know. I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: There was a gift card.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, there was a gift card.
AUDIO RECORDING: There's no one right out on the cheap.
AUDIO RECORDING: If you like to do that stuff.
AUDIO RECORDING: Who's your freaking homer, then?
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh, it shouldn't be a homer. All of them.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, yeah. She's working with Barkley and the Peaks. She's working with the Cavanaugh and then one of them. Three of them.
AUDIO RECORDING: Who's your homer?
AUDIO RECORDING: Or fucking Trouble or whatever.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know, it's got a G. It's like a badass, it's blue, so you got like a four-door, like... Yeah, it's more cute.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I don't see a lot of fun for it. You're not ironic.
AUDIO RECORDING: What's the fun for it?
AUDIO RECORDING: The fun for it's awesome.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you live in a black farm still, too?
AUDIO RECORDING: Huh?
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you live in a black farm still, too?
AUDIO RECORDING: I do, congrats.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, my God, it's so fucking hot.
AUDIO RECORDING: This is a great beach day. I could even jump on your boat.
AUDIO RECORDING: You think it really is that?
AUDIO RECORDING: Honestly.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's why I also...
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I'm going to buy my own, okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't need anyone to hand me down.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's yours. It's yours.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't want to mess with anybody.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you want me to sell you my boat?
AUDIO RECORDING: No. Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: I look for one name.
AUDIO RECORDING: Mine's probably not fancy enough for you.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know what? I would. I really would. You bring everything up a little.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'd miss that car.
AUDIO RECORDING: You think so?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't miss it?
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh.
AUDIO RECORDING: You just need to be prepared for that kind of a car. I was driving it. I didn't know it. I didn't like it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Honestly, I got pulled over a few times, and people were filing in that car. Of course!
AUDIO RECORDING: But I remember one day, you go to your wife's office, and you say, I was like, yo, what's up with this dude? And they're like, you look like a moron.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I'm like, I've heard things about you, and I'm like, uh, who?
AUDIO RECORDING: And your hair was like, oh, I haven't gotten my hair cut. And you're like, I have no AT.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I'm just like, yo, fuck you.
AUDIO RECORDING: I got AT's in my car.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because dogs are going to have to eat teeth.
AUDIO RECORDING: And you're exactly like, are you sure about that? Let me get, I want to be nice. Oh.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Now you got to go in that bubble.
AUDIO RECORDING: See, the only thing is the range. I mean, we have to trade it out with you. The only thing is the range. I think Bryce spent like $3,000, $4,000.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I already have my tight set on. That's what I'm going to get.
AUDIO RECORDING: What do you want to get? I want to get the pre-message so either I'm going to get that or maybe I'm going to get the, um, the reverse but I have my feet start to put out on it so yeah and I can tell you something else is since that car was made and I go forward and start working so I can save money on the gas and my green room gets like nine miles per gallon I've never driven a car that bad on gas I am. No. Alright, let me pull up this little clip.
AUDIO RECORDING: I said gas. So I'll tell you what. We'll figure something out. We'll see what we can do about cars in the future.
AUDIO RECORDING: If that helps.
AUDIO RECORDING: We'll just figure it out. Right now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I know. You talk to people and the two biggest expenses they have outside of child care...
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So here again is Charlie Adelson, friendly with Katherine Magbanua?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, very.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And also friendly towards Sigfredo Garcia?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, he was.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Indicating he's got a birthday gift that he's procured for Garcia.
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And offering Magbanua a Range Rover?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: I want to skip ahead to May 4, 2016.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is there another final attempt at a bump?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, there is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Could you tell us about that, please?
PATRICK SANFORD: A text message was sent from the undercover to Mrs. Adelson's cell phone — early in the morning, late at night — at 2:09 a.m. So the text read: "So you don't take me serious? You think I'm playing? You have some food to call me to see if I'm for real. If you think what Katie baby daddy did for you can't come back, you're fucking crazy. I want the —" there's actually a dollar sign there now — "or I'm going" — sorry — "or I'm going after the 100K!"
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And are there a few calls generated by that particular bump?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, there was.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Could you set up SS for us?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes. It's the same day as the text message. Text message was, like I said, was at 2:09 a.m. on the 4th, that morning, at — at 9:08 Katherine Magbanua calls Charlie Adelson. So this would be right at the like — oh, I see, so about seven hours later. Correct, about seven hours later that morning.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, thank you for this one. We'll publish SS starting at 12:45, please.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And a gift for Garcia, is that right?
PATRICK SANFORD: I believe it is. I don't believe they've — we've talked yet.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, let's play SS.
AUDIO RECORDING: You've been in there for three weeks and you're drunk.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're an asshole.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, but I gotta get in.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, hey. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, it was supposed to be a birthday present for somebody.
AUDIO RECORDING: If you know anybody's birthday.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't think there's any, you know, going on, so.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, well, what if — okay, if you told them it was for me, or do you think I did that?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, good luck, and then you can tell me.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll think about one thing. I think there's a very nice gift part in there.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. It's fucking weird though. I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: He told me — oh my god, I have to talk so loud.
AUDIO RECORDING: He's like, well, my mom always told me that he was a predator, right? He took us out for dinner and shit where my mom always had that, like, fire in him.
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, and he told me, he was like, well, maybe you want to get me a present, because I need to get a little present.
AUDIO RECORDING: He said, well, maybe you want to get me a present. I'm like, well, you're not 10 years old anymore, and I'd get over it. Well, I got — I have a fucking little present. Well, guess what? I actually did.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, thank you.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're welcome. So, open it up. If you think it's okay to give them — if you think he's old enough, then give him a present, okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Can we fucking pop your pocket?
AUDIO RECORDING: If you think it's not, then don't do it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just make sure the shit's in a safe place. I got a lot of damn stupid money. You got a lot of — not fucking, like, supposed to be in the office, right? Yeah, just throw a token of honor and shit, but that's all.
AUDIO RECORDING: On my feet?
AUDIO RECORDING: Is that what you said?
AUDIO RECORDING: Huh?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes. I thought you said you were still cooking the water in the tins.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm selling it everywhere on my phone.
AUDIO RECORDING: Don't forget to look it up.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Can we publish TT, please? Let me start at 4:55 on this one.
AUDIO RECORDING: He's got the drugs. He's fine.
AUDIO RECORDING: Let him get started on it. And if you don't think it'll cause anything, you can tell them it was from — maybe when you opened up the present.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. You're scaring me. I'm gonna — I'm gonna go, yeah, I'm gonna open it now before — I don't know, because you're scaring me.
AUDIO RECORDING: Was it in your car or was it in your house?
AUDIO RECORDING: It was in my house.
AUDIO RECORDING: But like, I hid it. Well, go fucking look what's in there and tell me if it's okay for a birthday present.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Alright.
AUDIO RECORDING: What if my birthday's present? You get nothing.
AUDIO RECORDING: Ah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Alright, I'll talk to you later. Dude, I got you tickets to the concert. I know! Thank you. I'd like to thank you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Where's tonight's birthday? It's not your birthday today. Wait, you went yesterday.
AUDIO RECORDING: Whatever.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, I got a birthday.
AUDIO RECORDING: I can't — all these people that want me to adopt them. I get like six-year-old women in all things absolutely saying, where's your kids? Like, I don't have any. They go to your top meeting. I don't think you have a problem. In the day, it's hard. It's amazing. I got scouting once. If you need to stop that, I got like eight people that want to put it out.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: That one we've got Charlie Adelson mentioning that he purchased concert tickets and a limo for Katherine Magbanua.
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, ma'am, he did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And Magbanua refers to her own child as Charlie Adelson's godchild, is that right?
PATRICK SANFORD: She did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Let's play UU, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Thank you for your time today.
AUDIO RECORDING: I appreciate it. Yeah, it's good stuff. So are you in the evidence yet?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: So is everything else okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, just that.
AUDIO RECORDING: Money today, or was it?
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, it's different, but I will talk to you on Sunday. You don't want to come down and see me tonight?
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no, no. You don't have to be so good.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm so good.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know, I could kind of talk to you, been like — you know, when I talk to you, yeah, like my stories, it just seems like another — like, uh, yeah, did I — not yet, well.
AUDIO RECORDING: I think it's important you've seen it before Sunday. Well, where exactly is it going to be? Tomorrow? Standing up tomorrow, so maybe there's a chance.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I'm meeting Doug in the afternoon. I haven't texted, uh, I --
AUDIO RECORDING: I haven't, I haven't — that's supposed to be him at some point. I mean, actually, I can set up a meeting with him at any time. I mean, do you want to go into my house in the morning? That would be a good idea.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll tell you what, I don't want to wait, you know, and then you wait, and something that could have — thing gets to the bottom early, becomes, uh, that --
AUDIO RECORDING: Doesn't get there in the butt early, and then so it won't have any control. Yeah. I mean, tomorrow, um, we're up early, um. So what if we got — what if we get you through a little bit more? You want to meet Charlie for breakfast this one, you know? Um, you want us to come to you, then? Well, traffic. Let --
AUDIO RECORDING: Let me find out, check your schedule, and then we'll work something out. Okay? Yeah, let me, let me do that. I'll see you guys tomorrow. Sounds good. Um, was, um, yeah, let's discuss that once you check it. I mean, I think it's just better that things get in quite early. Yeah, I don't know why you wouldn't just call. Um, let me, let me talk to you tomorrow. You figure out your schedule, we're free until we get out. Okay.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Circling back to the Garcia birthday present that was being discussed -- I have it on a couple different dates, but in April of 2016.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is Garcia's birthday in April?
PATRICK SANFORD: It is.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: April 27th?
PATRICK SANFORD: 27th, that's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, now back to our calls.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Let's go to the next day, May 5th, 2016.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: 2016. So now Donna Adelson has informed Charlie Adelson about the bump text, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: She informed -- that there was something that happened.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Correct. And so do we have Charlie to Katie next?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Publish VB, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I'm --
AUDIO RECORDING: Going to think — I'm kind of scared of things, you know? I think it's better for us. It was too torturous.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So let's do, um, WW, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey Charlie? Hey, how are you? Good, honey, how are you doing? Good. I'm coming across the bridge now. Oh, okay. You came on the phone? Do you want to come down? You know what, I'll meet you. We'll meet you outside now. We can walk to the cool area. Okay. Okay. All right.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm talking about — this is Sue. I mean, I want you to call me out of the blue.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, you're calling?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. It's a tape up here. I'm sweeping up.
AUDIO RECORDING: What's up?
AUDIO RECORDING: It's, um, it's not like we're going to do it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Not that I know of. It's just that I don't even know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Anything on the office?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I'm just saying that I got calls, so --
AUDIO RECORDING: You got a call?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Yeah. I'm like, not that I know. I'm talking to my parents, but I'll do it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, you're serious?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. So I'm, like, pretty good. I just worked my eye out. I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Then I'll call you when I get — I mean, I can't go back there.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay? So if I was calling you, what are you going to do?
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. I feel good. You know, like, you started ringing.
AUDIO RECORDING: You got it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, when?
AUDIO RECORDING: When I text you. Just, you know, like, respond back to me. Like, they're just — they didn't find me.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: All right.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so everybody's waiting to find out what this next thing is that Mrs. Adelson's got to say.
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, play YY, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: A Little bit. Okay, I mean, I may just call you from the landline. My friend had this place in Miami. Go down to the Gables, so I'll probably call you from the landline. Okay? Yeah, I'll call you. Yeah.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: ZZ, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well like, can I find my mother? Like, I don't even know where — Just look at the monkey bars.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, probably him, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, just give me a quick recap of what's going on. Like, what exactly happened?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, I'm not asking you to do anything about it.
AUDIO RECORDING: At all.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, hi, Mimi!
AUDIO RECORDING: Come on, come on.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: I might have this a little out of order. Has the meeting already occurred at the Adelsons' condo?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, ma'am, it happened.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, I'm sorry, I had that out of order. When did that happen?
PATRICK SANFORD: That happened after he made the call saying he was coming over the bridge.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Happened right after that.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: At that meeting, was there any surveillance effort made?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, we tried to go and get close and do a recording.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Where did they go?
PATRICK SANFORD: They were in a pool area inside the building, like a private area for residents only.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so were you able to capture any of the recorded conversations? Were you able to record any of the conversations?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, the three of them were in a corner by themselves and couldn't get close to them.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Who's the three of them?
PATRICK SANFORD: Harvey Adelson, Donna Adelson, and Charlie Adelson.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Okay. So now this has been reported to Magbanua, and she's about to get more information about what the text said. Is that right?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. I'm sorry. Please resume the call.
AUDIO RECORDING: "Take me serious, and you --" There. Yeah. Yeah, I'm here. Yeah, the person says, "So you don't take me serious, and you have some calling me up baby daddy."
AUDIO RECORDING: So, and then it was like, "So you don't know" — so, you know, or something. Then there was something — it was something about "it was done for you," and then it was something about "you don't respect what was done for you" or something like that. "You don't regret that"?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, you don't. It was like 20 words. It started off with, "So you don't think I'm serious."
AUDIO RECORDING: And then I would have said, "You have something to do." He said, "I don't know." "I don't know," huh?
AUDIO RECORDING: Katie. Go, come on in, I'm next to you. "So you don't take me serious, and you have some puta call me up, Katie's baby daddy."
AUDIO RECORDING: "You don't appreciate what was done for you" or something like that.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. And that was it, that was it, it just ended.
AUDIO RECORDING: But it came from that same number. The person didn't block the number they're texting from.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, we already got to that. We got to that point.
AUDIO RECORDING: So don't do anything.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's one of two things.
AUDIO RECORDING: I could care less. I just want the person to stop harassing me.
AUDIO RECORDING: Evidently, each year, whoever the call, the person can give a shot.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I had a friend that was called, but...
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, whoever it was that called, this person texted my mom at 2 o'clock in the morning. It could really be a shift. How do you reference the name?
AUDIO RECORDING: Katie, he referenced — the only person's name he referenced in the text was Katie's baby daddy.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. So... My mom — and she was in the home. I had to leave the house.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, you have to leave the house.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. That's the line.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Yeah, so the weird thing is, whoever it is could really be the shit to do about what was said to him. Because he had no problem continuing to send text messages from that number. That's the part — that's the part that really boggles my mind.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yep, so don't do anything...
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, this is my one fear — nobody can protect somebody all the time. If it's a 1% chance that it is a bad guy who did something, then, you know, I worry about my dad's safety going to an office where...
AUDIO RECORDING: Not an issue, bro. You don't have to walk out on me. I can show you. I can let go. I can let go.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. That's what, you know... And whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it is, whoever it. Do you know what I mean?
AUDIO RECORDING: We're using the line.
AUDIO RECORDING: If you call me two more hours, I'll be like, damn — so that is, like, what is going on? And then if they do, they just throw a lot of information out that I don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: So that's — which is crazy. The question is, where'd they get it from?
AUDIO RECORDING: Why don't we just go collect the reward, whoever has the information?
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, all right. We're doing the same thing we're trying to do, and it's just — it's getting to the point where it takes four hours. So no, don't do anything. I just don't — it's just admiration, that's all. I just want my family left alone, you know. So that's my day off — I'm going to have a day off to hang out with everybody, deal with nonsense.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. So, like, I try to remember so many — and it's so hard because you throw so many other details behind it that it's like, when I have to like think it out of my head, I'm all over the place, because you just talk so much more of what's not necessary.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, I don't, I don't, I don't do that. I don't go off on tangents and shit. I just — listen, you're just my friend, that's the only reason why I'm going with you.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know — you're just picking me up because it's me. I don't need to know anything. You know I'm just me. I'm trying to help you out.
AUDIO RECORDING: I figured it out, I guess. I don't know what's going on, so.
AUDIO RECORDING: I wish I knew what was going on, but I'm talking — crazy people out there.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. I don't know what I'm talking about.
AUDIO RECORDING: Say bye to your mom.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: What does Magbanua do immediately after hanging up from this call?
PATRICK SANFORD: She texts Sigfredo Garcia.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And does she ask him to call her?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Does that call occur?
PATRICK SANFORD: It does.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish BBB, please.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And we're starting at, I guess, the beginning through the two-minute-forty-second mark, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Picking up like that — I don't know, whatever, saying obviously you're not taking me seriously, you have a person calling me who is too big, you know — like what are you talking about, like these — actually mean my friends telling me, like, I don't even know if it's you or whoever. I mean, there's so many people have these guys, and I've gone out with, like, plenty of kids — I have a lot of his friends, like I don't know what the hell it is. And, um, that you don't want to appreciate what was done for you, or something. And this is not going to stop. But the funny is, out of something, you know, your voice — or even if they're talking about it, you could be a completely different person while I know, you know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, you're not completely, because it's like — you've seen, like, you know, because I told them, they help them — you know, they were like, oh yeah, I'll try to help you out. But it's funny how when this happens late at night in the morning, that somebody got here. Yeah, I agree 100, and they're not here to use that number, because their marriage was definitely — you know, they've got to have much more, should they get her out, at least, anybody could go through that. And it's funny, like, how do you get, you know — it's just calling his mom, like it's not calling anybody else, but they're like, yeah, you can get it, you can look it up, or whatever. But it's pretty great, these kind of numbers.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hmm?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, it is. It is pretty great.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh.
AUDIO RECORDING: I just don't, you know — the fact that my name is being thrown out, and baby's life is being thrown out, like — what is all that?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I know. I don't know nothing about it. Well, I'll definitely take care of it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you think you could copy that?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I have them.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: BBB.1, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, we already did it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you think it starts in that?
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, I don't think so.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know for this thing.
AUDIO RECORDING: I've edited it.
AUDIO RECORDING: You never know if you're doing the right thing.
AUDIO RECORDING: If you hear me out for one second — talk to Dad with a lot.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know if you have the — I don't just rush, you know, but I think when we talk to Beth, is that safe?
AUDIO RECORDING: That's true.
AUDIO RECORDING: But it's so small. I mean, listen, it's not.
AUDIO RECORDING: It doesn't have to be tonight, sir.
AUDIO RECORDING: What?
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't think it's going to be tonight?
AUDIO RECORDING: I think it's sooner or better.
AUDIO RECORDING: Really?
AUDIO RECORDING: But that would be fun.
AUDIO RECORDING: I already wrote my letter.
AUDIO RECORDING: What?
AUDIO RECORDING: What? What? What? What? What? What? What?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: This one's a little garbled, but is the gist of it that Donna Adelson is going to call the undercover number?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And does she do that?
PATRICK SANFORD: She does.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: When does she do that?
PATRICK SANFORD: She does it — uh, she tries to call him on 5/6 at 11:30 and receives a voicemail. She calls again at 5 06 p.m., after he tries calling her back.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And do you have evidence — independent of the wire — that the defendant downloaded some software to record this call on her own?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Publish of this call, please. It's on 117 — it should be call three in that exhibit. This...
AUDIO RECORDING: Is this Mrs. Adelson?
AUDIO RECORDING: Is this... Um, okay, my grandchildren had my phone before, so... I'm Mrs. Adelson, yes. Yes, my grandchildren had my phone before, so that's... And I just saw that you called. Oh, okay. You left the message on my voicemail, right?
AUDIO RECORDING: I did.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, this is my problem. You approached me on Alton Road. You handed me an article from the newspaper about my ex-son-in-law. You told me I need to call you and help your friend who was in prison. Now, at the time you did that, I didn't understand what you were talking about. I didn't call you back. Then you mailed me a threatening letter, then you sent me a text message to my phone that says I'm not taking you seriously. So I am taking you seriously, and I really want you to listen to me. I have to tell you, I mean, this is important. Actually, I have been so stressed out. I have spoken to 10 or 12 people who are close friends of mine, telling them about this and basically picking their brains and asking them what I should do, because I don't know your friend who is in jail. I... you mentioned a name. I don't even know his name. I never spoke to him. I don't know what he looks like. I've never met him. I'm sorry your friend's in jail, but I don't know what that has to do with me.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you know what? You know exactly what it has to do with you. You do know exactly. Listen to me carefully. Listen to me. Listen to me. You've just got to listen to me. You need to ask your friend who this person looks like, what their name is, something. Because I know there's a big reward out there, and if you need money for your friend, that's the way to get it. I'm asking you nicely.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know who he is. I am out of the loop. It is not me.
AUDIO RECORDING: If I can help, I would help. I mean, that's why...
AUDIO RECORDING: Just like I told you, listen to me. Just like I told you that day, we know that your family had a problem up north.
AUDIO RECORDING: We know that that problem was taken care of about a year and a half, two years ago.
AUDIO RECORDING: And we know that Katie has been taken care of and has been taken care of. Now, my brother in jail, we were in Broward together. He told me the whole thing. And he hasn't been taken care of.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Now, all that's being asked for is $5,000. That's all we're asking for, is $5,000.
AUDIO RECORDING: He told me everything, and I know everything. I know who's involved. I know everything, and I'll get the $100,000 for myself.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll ask him to send the $5,000. Everybody knows what's going on. I know.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're saying everyone knows. I know. I lost my ex-son-in-law. I did not have anything to do with it. That's why I said ask him.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's not, that's not... My brother Sato told me. He told me everything when we were in jail. He told me everything and who was involved. I know everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I don't. That's the problem. I'm telling you, it's not me. It's not me. I had a year and a half of aggravation over this. My, my daughter, my grandchildren. It is not me. And when I asked my friends what do they think, they said, well, this person needs to get a description of you because of what you look like. Or it's not me. I don't know who caused this. It wasn't me.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, I don't know who caused this.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just like that day when I talked to you, this is not going away.
AUDIO RECORDING: This is not going to go away, because Stucco told me everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: He wasn't being taken care of.
AUDIO RECORDING: He needed the 5K.
AUDIO RECORDING: Send 5K, that's all we were asking for.
AUDIO RECORDING: Don't do that. I don't know who Stucco is.
AUDIO RECORDING: You don't understand. We know you don't know who Stucco is, but you know who Katie is. And you know the contacts Katie has. And she has — listen to me, let's stop fucking around.
AUDIO RECORDING: Let's stop fucking around.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay? You know who Katie is.
AUDIO RECORDING: And you know that Katie has somebody that knows Stucco.
AUDIO RECORDING: And they took care of a problem for you people.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's just the bottom line. The bottom line is, you know who the fuck Katie is.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm not fucking around with it. You know who Katie is. You know that they took care of Katie and her people.
AUDIO RECORDING: Nobody's taking care of Taco. I know you don't know who Taco is. But we know who all of you are.
AUDIO RECORDING: And this ain't going away.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know what? So, what, I can give you the — you want then the 5K?
AUDIO RECORDING: Here's what you need to do. You need to go and —
AUDIO RECORDING: Don't tell me what to do. I know what to do, and I'm doing it.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're looking for money. Get $100,000 or whatever the — what do you call it — whatever the reward is. It isn't me.
AUDIO RECORDING: You have got the wrong person. That's why I said ask your friend.
AUDIO RECORDING: You're Donna Adelson.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, I am. Yes, I am.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I know. We know who's involved in all this.
AUDIO RECORDING: This is not me. I mean, if you want the money, you should get it from the police. They can give you a whole lot more than you're asking me for money for someone. I just, I can't do this. I have had too much stress and too much aggravation from this, and I don't know what you are talking about. I just don't know. No, I just don't know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Good, I think you should talk to Katie, talk to people that are involved in this.
AUDIO RECORDING: You'll know — you know what's going on.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's why I'm calling you back.
AUDIO RECORDING: You can tell me all you fucking want, but I know you know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because I know — when I was locked up in Broward with my brother, he told me everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: Everything. He told me everything. I just wanted to take care of them because — because Katie was being taken care of with her fucking...
AUDIO RECORDING: Just think — I just think, instead of asking me, you should get the money from the police. There's a lot of money out there, and I know — if you think you know who this is, then go ahead and do it, because I know it isn't me. I know it isn't me, and I can't take this kind of level of stress. I just can't. I know I didn't do anything.
AUDIO RECORDING: You — Talk to people. You talk to the right people. You talk to people. You make this 5K come to me.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's all I need.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just do it and get it to me.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do it and get it to me. I'll call you back.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Does she call back?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, she did not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Does she call the police?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, she did not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Do she and Charlie discuss — I guess she shares this recording with him and they have further conversations about this call that she made?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, they do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And they're at that point 100% that the bump is the police, right? That's what Charlie tells her?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Let's publish CCC, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Charlie, how are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good. What's going on?
AUDIO RECORDING: Good. Well, we just finished the dinner. We drove through Blackwell back to the hotel in Miami, and we just got back to the Icon. So we're just going to walk along the marinas and we're going to go to dinner.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. I just got the red. I just got the dinner in here. Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll let you go right back.
AUDIO RECORDING: I will. I'll tell you that I did have that handpiece now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Great.
AUDIO RECORDING: Thank you.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you want to bring any more content to the patient?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, that's why, you know, those things don't get... that for me. That's why I don't do all that — bother me.
AUDIO RECORDING: Was it, uh, was it bad?
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, no, you know, I loaded that new app too. I have to show it to you. I think you'll really be interested to know.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, so you had... how long was the talk?
AUDIO RECORDING: Eight. Eight.
AUDIO RECORDING: Eight minutes?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes. You talked to the patient for eight minutes?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: And they were nice?
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, not really.
AUDIO RECORDING: Did they give any threats or anything?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, no. That's, that's interesting. Yeah, I thought it was very interesting. But, um, but I definitely want you to, you know... I'll play that vacation tomorrow, but I wanted to make sure I got those stuff to you. So is that okay?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Can we go to DDD next? This is Charlie to Katie about this recording of his mom's conversation with the undercover?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: That last phone call was at 11:17 at night. This is the following day, 5/7, at 5:07.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So do you need your headphones or your amplifier to hear the evidence clearly?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Are you okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm with a bunch of people, but I got a new CD.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: 100%.
AUDIO RECORDING: How many percent what?
AUDIO RECORDING: 100% record break. If you want to drop the mic.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, yeah? Yeah? Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: I kind of didn't want to play when you're just cruising along and you see a deer and you spot those pigs walking down the street. Is it a long pig?
AUDIO RECORDING: It's, uh, like the track is...
AUDIO RECORDING: How do you see the pig?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, the track's long. I mean, you're old school, you know? I know, I know. It looks like a long single, over five minutes long.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, wow.
AUDIO RECORDING: Wow.
AUDIO RECORDING: 100%. Did you already replay it a lot to yourself?
AUDIO RECORDING: I heard it.
AUDIO RECORDING: So you can hear it?
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh huh.
AUDIO RECORDING: I've heard the track many times. I don't know how to record it.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not in the background.
AUDIO RECORDING: Nice.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh my god. I didn't even say it. One of my friends hit me with a hot belly pig.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hit you with what?
AUDIO RECORDING: Hot belly pig.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hot belly pig? Hot belly pig? Yeah, you know what a pig is?
AUDIO RECORDING: Are you serious?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, it's got the cutest pot-bellied pig, so...
AUDIO RECORDING: Anyway.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's not good.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know. I'm talking to you. I like dogs, not pigs.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, they're hard to defeat, but...
AUDIO RECORDING: But anyway, I don't... As long as they're housebroken or not, I'm not mad.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hold on. Hold on.
AUDIO RECORDING: You can't hear me, but you can hear it behind me and there's lights.
AUDIO RECORDING: I can't wait for you, you're a pretty single.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know, it's playing in the background right now.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh yeah?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, drop it when you're hot.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you think it's gonna... I like Madeline, I like Madeline.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do you think it's going to make good hits?
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, I think it's fantastic.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, thank you. Do you think it'll sell a lot?
AUDIO RECORDING: I hope so. I dropped the mic.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, you were like, ouch.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, 26.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, we're going to hear it.
AUDIO RECORDING: What was that?
AUDIO RECORDING: We're going to hear it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Go ahead and sell these and I'll pay you on Monday.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: I'm not sure if Magbanua was picking up what he was putting down, but what is a pig?
PATRICK SANFORD: Pig is a slang term for police officer.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and so Mrs. Adelson called your bluff, didn't she?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and was this pretty much the end of the wire operation?
PATRICK SANFORD: It was.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, I want to publish EEE. Could you tell us about this call?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yeah, it's on the 512. It's Charlie Adelson to Donna Adelson at 6:18 p.m.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Publish EEE.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hello, this is Charlie.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, how are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm good. How are you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Wait a second. I have to go open the door. Wait, let me just get the door. Okay, Beck, you go in first, honey.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. Lincoln, you go next.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, honey.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'll pop up. Up.
AUDIO RECORDING: Up, up, big boy, you can do it.
AUDIO RECORDING: I know you're trying. Hold on.
AUDIO RECORDING: Here, honey, since you have too much in your hand.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, here you go. Up, up, up.
AUDIO RECORDING: Honey, how much do you think you have to do? Come on.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm not telling you to move his ass.
AUDIO RECORDING: You can send us your sweet little one nephew who had just been haircut and took him to McDonald's. They are happy. They are happy campers. They are happy. To make them sit down, I know, but it was so long that he couldn't see straight, so we had to get sure.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, how is my voice now that you don't have any? Quite as good as it is?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I think it's kind of salt and ashy, but I can take care of it.
AUDIO RECORDING: What's your name?
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, that got me on my way to the office today. I had to go off to do the billing, and I went over and looked around at the landing.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's cold.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not that you're not totally concentrated.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Which — where are you going?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm just waiting to stop off at there.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, did you?
AUDIO RECORDING: Uh-huh.
AUDIO RECORDING: But, uh, so actually her birthday turns out — when you're making her a little party? Oh, really?
AUDIO RECORDING: You're not kidding. So she's, you know, okay, she's obviously pregnant for a reason. She just wanted to know anything, anything, anything. So my point is, if she doesn't want you to know anything, then don't ask anything. She's happy, and I can find everything out to tell you. So I was like, so what are you doing for your birthday? She's like, oh, Wendi's making me, like, a little birthday dinner, a little get-together party. And I was like, I thought she was going to do that. She's like, I don't know anything. All I know is Wendi's putting it together for me, and she's doing it for me.
AUDIO RECORDING: So I'm like, oh, that's awesome.
AUDIO RECORDING: Before I knew it, she was really straight from work. It was a hotel where everybody was meeting, to the Miami Cellars that she got, and that she has to stay there tonight because it starts early, first thing tomorrow morning.
AUDIO RECORDING: In between, she managed to do something else, which makes me happy. I'm really glad. I couldn't imagine.
AUDIO RECORDING: Nancy, that be good?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: The boys, the boys gave up.
AUDIO RECORDING: Wait, did you give Dave his present this morning with Mommy? Uh-huh.
AUDIO RECORDING: Dave's birthday was planned, wasn't it? They were supposed to go to David's house at 12 o'clock at night. But what happened? Like, why did Mommy not take you with him tonight?
AUDIO RECORDING: Carrie was stiff. You know, Mommy told them in the morning. But Carrie kept seeing her. That's why they sent her off so they couldn't go there at this time.
AUDIO RECORDING: Who do you, who do you lead to dinner?
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm going to Darren's house.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, no, that's nice.
AUDIO RECORDING: That is nice. The boys should pet their tree. And Grandpa is having a massage. So, that's why they are out of the house. And so, I'm going to come back. And Jessica should be finished with Dad. And the boys are going to do their piano. And then we're going to have story time and bedtime.
AUDIO RECORDING: We'll go and we'll see them.
AUDIO RECORDING: Charlie, I'm happy to tell you that Dad is telling me — years out — and you both feel so much better about how it's working out. Oh, my God, are you getting me? Like, I can't even begin to tell you. Oh, yeah. You let me vote — the patient is so, you know, once you, once you know how these patients act, they're so cool, so cool. Oh, my God. I couldn't — you don't understand, I couldn't, because...
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, if they, if they go to — more dentistry is a huge, huge pain in the ass — if they go ahead and just, you know, run about everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: You've got nothing to worry about.
AUDIO RECORDING: Which is clearly what it is. It's not 1,000%.
AUDIO RECORDING: Not even — you don't understand, not even. Not a question.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: But not even like, oh, no, there's — I mean, what I mean, like, they were so nice about everything.
AUDIO RECORDING: Right. Just makes you feel so much better.
AUDIO RECORDING: Sure. Oh, my God.
AUDIO RECORDING: There's no question. You know, originally I said this person's a really nice person. Remember, I always said, I'm like, they're really nice. I don't think they're going to go to the board of dentistry. And that's — they turned out to be really, really nice.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I was really glad to hear that. That made a huge difference. That was really wonderful. Now, I'm blessed to know that's right. Mom, I don't — I just, you know...
AUDIO RECORDING: And that told you, that told you what, you know, what I was told to ask for if it ever becomes an issue. Yeah, yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Did you ever — did you ever speak to him? No. Okay. All right. And I'm going to tell the girls they need to give it one more effort to try to email him, text him. Oh, I suppose — I've never seen him. Real friends, real nice. You're like, hey, listen, we're kind of pretty cute. We have your dates here, here.
AUDIO RECORDING: What's your status?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: And this is going to be a really awful shame that nobody's lab has been sent out. They're going to leave the lab where it's paid for.
AUDIO RECORDING: Exactly.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, otherwise, they deserve it. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: There's just no acceptance. I don't care if it's a year from when my mom went to — at least the lab that was been paid for, ain't nothing getting sent.
AUDIO RECORDING: Because I would ask them to go, because they knew if you had ever spoken to them, they don't think so, but they want to, so — because I remember all the goings and all the people that I had questions about, so...
AUDIO RECORDING: Did you ever get paid from those large spaces from Dr. Murray's office, from relatives, from cousins? Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Just walking across Alton Road against the green light for us, they're just walking in the breeze, looking at the cell phone, not paying attention.
AUDIO RECORDING: Man, terrible.
AUDIO RECORDING: So did you guys work out in the trainer today? No, tomorrow. Tomorrow. They went to Big Friday. So that's why I went out to be, you know, that's why your dad went to be a boy, so that I could go to the office and do the film. Because I've been going around like a Saturday or a Sunday, and I have to spend the day.
AUDIO RECORDING: And I said, yeah, you know, if I would go on a Thursday and the girls were there, then I can ask the building questions I have, you know, directly. And I don't have to leave a long list of questions. I'm never rolling into a garage. I was just so careful with what I was doing.
AUDIO RECORDING: I was worried.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I don't think the crisis hurt it. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: So you just can't, I gotta tell you, you just can't, cannot. I mean, now that you know what it is, you cannot get upset. You can't let things bother you. No, no, you know. And I also know exactly what I'm doing. You know, sometimes, you know, you don't have to have to let the state inform you.
AUDIO RECORDING: They're doing this all the time, so you understand. And that's why we went to the front desk for a while. But we were telling the patient's father, she just said, oh, you know, but that's it.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, no, I got it. I mean, good.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, my love. You have time, do you think? Do you think you'll be there after this? I will. Okay, please. I love you.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So upon learning that they're being investigated for murder, how did they react to that?
PATRICK SANFORD: Um, they seem pretty happy about it.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Really happy about it?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yeah.
JUDGE EVERETT: Sustained. Members of the jury are instructed to disregard the last answer.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And was it the gist of how you got made that the undercover wasn't nasty enough?
PATRICK SANFORD: Right. It's not done like that. You got to have a beard and a hat and glasses, and you got to make threats and all that kind of thing.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Right?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: After the wire gets made, it's kind of business as usual, right? Back to Wendi and her love life, that sort of thing for them?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Were any more checks issued by the defendant to Catherine Magbanua after the wire got made?
PATRICK SANFORD: I believe that's when they stopped, if I'm not mistaken. I have to go back and look, though. May of 2016 is when they stopped.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Right? It was May of 2016, correct?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And after you came off the wire, was there a time when law enforcement went into the Adelson Institute?
PATRICK SANFORD: There was.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Could you tell us about that?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yeah, myself and my partner, Investigator Ice, with TPD went into the Adelson Institute with a subpoena requesting Catherine Magbanua's employment records, and we began speaking with the front desk.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was Catherine Magbanua there working?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, she was not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you ever— did they ever uncover any evidence of Magbanua working for that business?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, the only thing they ever provided us was basically a list of the checks that we already knew about.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was a phone call captured from that business during the time that you were present in there trying to serve the subpoena and get these employment records?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, one of the employees called Charlie Adelson while we were there. She walked to the back and called him, and it was captured on the wire.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. At this time, I'd ask to move into evidence State's Exhibit 100, Your Honor.
JUDGE EVERETT: Any objection?
JUDGE EVERETT: State's 100 is admitted.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Permission to publish, Your Honor.
JUDGE EVERETT: All right.
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, what's going on?
AUDIO RECORDING: Hey, the FBI is here asking for a record for hanging.
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, for what?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, that the ejection worked here.
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, I wouldn't, I wouldn't give any comment.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, and they— the ex— the ex— did he work out? Like, yes, he worked there, but I don't know if he— you know, because Americans can't bear it. Yeah. Do you mean if they're— I'm—
AUDIO RECORDING: not there right now, and I'm in surgery.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's not my office. It's my dad's office, so I can't give anything out.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't have access to it. I don't know where anything is.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, so you don't have access to anything.
AUDIO RECORDING: I don't know where anything is either. Yeah, so I would do this. I would not speak to anybody.
AUDIO RECORDING: I mean, you can do whatever you want, but it's my dad's office.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Yeah, so I don't have access to any of that stuff.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. So they can talk to my dad, and I'm sure they'll be able to get whatever they want from them.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, I understand.
AUDIO RECORDING: So if I had it, I don't know— if you'd talk to them anymore, I could get a lot different.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, you know, yeah. I mean, I'm not— I shouldn't think— I'm talking about this. Whatever I'm playing, you want to talk to, um— but it's not my office, and it's not your office, right? So you don't have, uh, records to give them, and I don't have records to give them, so I'm sure they'll be able to help them out in any way and where they can. Okay, so that's about that one. Tell them that. Yeah, tell them that it's not— and it's not my office. It's the office that sold back to my dad actually a long time ago, so tell them that. You will. So it's actually— you're talking to the wrong doctor, right? So what you need to do is tell them that you will get in contact, because it's not your office. You know, yeah, they said within 20 days of the court, the court is going to provide a bill of cause.
AUDIO RECORDING: Are they there now?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, they're there. I'm in the back. They're just waiting for me to come back.
AUDIO RECORDING: Oh, they want records?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: Do me a favor. I'm going to call you from the landline on your cell phone, okay?
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. All right.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right. Right.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: During the surveillance of Catherine Magbanua, did law enforcement ever observe her to physically go to the Adelson Institute?
PATRICK SANFORD: No, we did not.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And she later admitted that she did not do anything to earn those checks that she received, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct. She did admit that.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And in at least this call, whose office does Charlie Adelson say the Adelson Institute belongs to?
PATRICK SANFORD: He says it's his dad's office.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And has been for a long time, right?
PATRICK SANFORD: Correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And that was said on what day? June 1st of '16, is that right?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Now, before we do this early breaking, I have one more thing I want to try to circle back to. The call that we had technical difficulties on, I think twice, so I want to go back to Matt Suri, which was the restaurant conversation between Charlie and Harvey Adelson. You recall that?
PATRICK SANFORD: That's correct, I do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And this call L.1 on the State's Exhibit 99 was shortly after that, or maybe during that. Could you tell us, is this 16:95?
PATRICK SANFORD: Yes, sir. Yes. It's after the master, correct, between Charlie Adelson and his father Harvey Adelson.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And this call is between Charlie Adelson, Harvey, and also his mother, Donna Adelson.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. Thank you. Publish L.1, please.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, I mean, it's an hour and 15 minutes there. It's a short sequence back to here, and it'll probably be there until I have those.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. So, you know, I'm hoping it gets to your place by 5, by 3. Okay. Oh, okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, because he was a baby, um, you know, he had to stay a little bit later. He didn't— it's not to be a baby.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, no, no, no. I can always talk to that one. Yeah, that's what I'm talking about.
AUDIO RECORDING: Can I just ask you one thing?
AUDIO RECORDING: Um, sure.
AUDIO RECORDING: Has there been any withdrawal?
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: Zero?
AUDIO RECORDING: Zero.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah. Did, um, did Dad tell you what I started doing then? Yeah, and I have a couple of questions that I want to ask you tomorrow.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, but it makes perfect sense. It makes perfect sense, doesn't it?
AUDIO RECORDING: Yes, it does. There are so many questions and things that I think need to be addressed.
AUDIO RECORDING: But, you know, we'll do that tomorrow.
AUDIO RECORDING: Yeah, I'll talk to you tomorrow. Listen, it's in a rush and I'm still up to Monday.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay, sounds good. I feel like she's not actually wrong, but I've thought everything through again and again and again, and I think I'm 100% right, or 99% right, because none of it makes any sense.
AUDIO RECORDING: None of it makes any sense. I mean, there's no — it's not — I'm just telling you, it's not done like that. It's not. I know for a fact it's not done like that at all.
AUDIO RECORDING: And they're approaching somebody who has nothing to do with anything, which is humility.
AUDIO RECORDING: So, listen, my feeling is that, you know, you go to — I'll tell you, it's utter nonsense.
AUDIO RECORDING: That's the best way I can describe it. It's utter, utter, utter nonsense, and I wouldn't pay any attention, no attention at all. It's not done like that. It's flat out, it's not done like that. Yeah, we'll talk about it tomorrow. Yeah, no, I could say it on the phone without saying it, but it's not done in such a nice manner.
AUDIO RECORDING: No.
AUDIO RECORDING: No, it's not done like that.
AUDIO RECORDING: It's done like that if you want someone to talk to you, otherwise it would just be — it wouldn't be done like that. Yeah.
AUDIO RECORDING: You know, there's nothing — you know, listen, if you're — yeah, I'll talk to you later. But anyway, that's really what I thought. I think it's a good process to lead in that.
AUDIO RECORDING: Actually, since you don't have tonight?
AUDIO RECORDING: No, tomorrow's going to be awesome. And just — that's supposed to be what I'm supposed to be talking about. So don't — I'll even talk to you about it tomorrow.
AUDIO RECORDING: It makes perfect sense.
AUDIO RECORDING: Perfect sense. Well, okay. If you don't come generally, we can do it afterwards.
AUDIO RECORDING: Well, I can always tell you what I'm talking about. But just now, she's got $600,000. Oh, yeah. She won't get out of the Dolphin truly until 5:30. She'll be in a sports bra, a pair of shorts, and all sweaty.
AUDIO RECORDING: Okay. So, whatever.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm 99.99% sure she's not coming.
AUDIO RECORDING: I'm basically like 100% sure. Okay.
AUDIO RECORDING: All right, then.
AUDIO RECORDING: So go and have a good night. Get some rest. I need you to get down to sleep.
AUDIO RECORDING: I love you. I'm looking forward to seeing you tomorrow. Have fun, okay? Just be careful, okay? I love you, too. I love you, too.
JUDGE EVERETT: Members of the jury, we are going to take our break for the evening at this point. Once again, do not discuss this case with each other or any other person. Do not seek out any information about this case. We will resume tomorrow at 8:45. Please report at that time and we will get started with the trial once again at nine o'clock. Agent Sanford, unfortunately for him, will still be on the stand, but the defense will have their opportunity to cross-examine at that point. Have a good evening, everyone.
JUDGE EVERETT: Counsel, be seated. Do we have any matters to address before going into tomorrow about scheduling or anything else?
JUDGE EVERETT: I believe this is the matter that we addressed earlier, Mr. Zelman.
MR. ZELMAN: Yes, Your Honor. On our end, Ms. Cappleman also provided me with a one-page excerpt from my client's 2014 planner with some proposed redactions. I just need to have some conversation with Ms. Cappleman about the proposals.
MR. ZELMAN: Hopefully it won't be an issue that we need to address in the morning.
JUDGE EVERETT: Bailiff should need to have the courtroom open at 8:15 so the defense can speak with their client concerning these matters. For the state, please report at 8:40. By 8:45, once we have the jurors, we will keep moving. Yes, sir. That's it for the evening. Have a good night, everyone.