Jeffrey Lacasse — Direct/Cross/Redirect/Recross (Recall)
276 linesJUDGE EVERETT: Please call your next witness.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Jeffrey Lacasse.
JUDGE EVERETT: Mr. Lacasse, you remain under oath. You may be seated.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, Mr. Lacasse, I want to take you back to July 13th, 2014 — this is going to be the Sunday before the homicide that we're here about. Did you see Wendi Adelson that evening at her residence here in Tallahassee?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes. After we returned from dinner and a movie, we went back to her residence.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. And at some point that evening, did the issue of the relocation battle that was going on back in the summer of 2013 come up?
JEFFREY LACASSE: It did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And is that the issue we've already touched on, which has to do with her wanting to move to South Florida with the children and filing a petition to do so in the courts?
JEFFREY LACASSE: That's right, and by extension, the issue of being stuck in Tallahassee.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And while discussing that issue, did Ms. Adelson make some statements to you about her brother, Charlie?
JEFFREY LACASSE: She did.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And what were those statements?
JEFFREY LACASSE: She asked to speak to me confidentially, in a very serious tone of voice, told me that Charlie had investigated all possible options to take care of the problem of Danny Markel — including hiring a hitman, which would cost about $15,000. And I later revised that and thought maybe it was $50,000, but the dollar amount was the only thing in question. She definitely said that Charlie Adelson had looked into hiring a hitman to kill Danny Markel.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And when did she say Mr. Adelson had looked into hiring a hitman?
JEFFREY LACASSE: When the relocation was denied the previous summer.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. All right. And the dollar amount — so she either said 15 or 50, you're not sure which?
JEFFREY LACASSE: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And when she said this, what was her demeanor like?
JEFFREY LACASSE: She was very serious.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. So definitely not to be confused with the TV joke?
JEFFREY LACASSE: No. I'd heard that joke repeatedly. I knew that joke. This was something very different. This was chilling, a little scary, made my stomach flip. I found it disturbing.
JEFFREY LACASSE: The joke was said in a lighthearted manner, and this was not said in that way. This was serious and said confidentially.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, thank you. And I want to — okay, I think we should go from there to the next day, just gonna be July 14th, 2014, the Monday before the murder.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes, ma'am.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you see Wendi Adelson on that day?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes. She came over — if I contacted her or if she contacted me — but she was excited to see me, and I wasn't so sure about that, because the night before we'd had an awkward conversation at the conclusion of that night, and I had told her that if she didn't want to do this anymore, she could just send me a text and I wouldn't, you know, take any offense; we would just, you know, break up.
JEFFREY LACASSE: So I didn't get that text. Instead, I talked to Wendi Adelson, and she was excited to see me.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so what did you do?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Well, then she needed to call me back, and it went from enthusiastic — her enthusiasm about seeing me — to, "Let's just meet at yoga tonight, go in separate cars." So there was a real shift in about 30 minutes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you go to yoga?
JEFFREY LACASSE: We did. We went to yoga.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And after yoga, was there a discussion about your relationship and the status of your relationship?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah, a very brief one. I mean, yoga is not a great place to talk, obviously. So while we were sitting there, she seemed very cold, and I kind of got the feeling that it was over — that this was it. So as we walked to the car, I tried to talk to her about the relationship, and that didn't go well. And so I just kind of put up my hands and walked away, feeling sad that this was it.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right. And as you walked away, was that the end, or was there more conversation after you began to walk away?
JEFFREY LACASSE: She called out to me and I walked back towards her, and she was deeply curious — well, during that, we — back up slightly — during that conversation she didn't have any interest in spending any time with me for the rest of the week, so it kind of confirmed, like, you know, this is over. But then when she called me back, she had a series of detailed questions about what I would be doing on Friday.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And Friday is gonna be July 18th, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And that's the date of the homicide?
JEFFREY LACASSE: That's exactly right.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: What were her inquiries of you regarding that date?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I had a trip planned to Tennessee. She was aware that I was planning to leave about 11 a.m. on Friday. I needed to get to Atlanta for an early dinner, so with traffic, she knew I was departing at 11. And at the yoga studio in the parking lot, she had asked if I was still going, if I didn't go why not, what route I would be taking — a bizarre amount of interest in that trip that didn't make sense to me at the time, given that she didn't want to spend time with me.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And how does it make sense to you now?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Well, if I had left on my trip at the scheduled time that she had known about for quite a while, I would have driven pretty close to Danny Markel's house about the same time as the murder, in a similar-looking car to the suspect vehicle.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And what type of vehicle did you drive?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I drove a 2004 Nissan Sentra that was silver metallic gray color.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: So if you had followed your original plans, you would have been passing by the Markel residence or nearby there around the same time as the killers were fleeing?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah, I would have been at Capitol Circle in Thomasville. I'm sure I would have been on the same cell tower, for example. I think my life could have been pretty complicated had I taken my original plans.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so you didn't, I guess, take the original plans.
JEFFREY LACASSE: No, I did not. I had made a last-minute decision the night before to leave Thursday night instead.
JEFFREY LACASSE: I had not informed Ms. Adelson about that because we weren't speaking.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Actually, I don't know for sure that anyone in Tallahassee knew I had changed my plans — just the people at the other end.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so you were actually in Tennessee at the time of the homicide.
JEFFREY LACASSE: I was.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And we've heard you were called in as a potential suspect and apparently named by Jane McPherson. Do you know who that is?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I do.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, who is that?
JEFFREY LACASSE: That was a friend of Wendi Adelson's, and she was a doctoral student in our program.
JEFFREY LACASSE: I had — not much relationship with her, just kind of a working relationship. We'd worked on a couple projects together, but I didn't know her very well at all.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: But someone that knew that you had been dating Wendi?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah, I think she was a confidant of Wendi Adelson's, yes, for sure.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. So you get called in. Were you able to provide documentation to show that you were in Tennessee and not in Tallahassee?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah, I was excluded fairly quickly because investigators found Kmart surveillance footage of me at a Kmart in Tennessee using my credit card, with my cell phone showing me there shortly after the murder. So it was impossible that I was here.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And then was there also some similar type coincidences around the time of the trip that the killers made in June?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes. On June 6th I had a business trip to Gainesville, and I departed at 11 a.m. on a Friday, June 6th — which Ms. Adelson would have known about by March.
JEFFREY LACASSE: So really, I'd taken two trips out of Tallahassee in my car the whole spring and summer semester, and both times hit me and tried to kill Danny Markel.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Any further contact with Wendi after the yoga date?
JEFFREY LACASSE: About 10 days after the murder, she reached out to a mutual friend, and we had a few phone calls.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And during one of those phone calls, did you learn about a dinner where Wendi had become ill at the table?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes, I did learn about that.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And what did you learn about that dinner?
JEFFREY LACASSE: That she went out to dinner with Charlie for what he called a celebration dinner. He said something to her, she spontaneously vomited on the table.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And this would have been within how much time after the homicide?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Within a few weeks.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was it specified that the celebration was in reference to Dan Markel's death as opposed to anything else?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Wasn't specified.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. But whatever it was, that's the dinner where she vomited.
JEFFREY LACASSE: That's right. That's right.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: One moment, please.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: No further questions.
JUDGE EVERETT: Cross-examination.
MR. RASHBAUM: Let's shift gears a teeny bit. Okay. When you and Ms. Adelson were dating, there were occasions when she would drive, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: Did she have a good sense of direction?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I don't know.
MR. RASHBAUM: You're aware that when she was married to Professor Markel, she lived in the house on Trescott, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: And when you were dating Wendi, would she often use Trescott as a shortcut to get from one place to another?
JEFFREY LACASSE: She used it a few times when I was in the car, if that's what you're asking.
JEFFREY LACASSE: She did that on June 27th, the day we departed to Gainesville at 11 a.m. on a Friday.
MR. RASHBAUM: I think you said in one of your interviews that she would do that at least a hundred times — drive by the house.
JEFFREY LACASSE: That was a figure of speech.
MR. RASHBAUM: Okay. Now, you mentioned — we'll start with the joke, the bad joke.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: You mentioned this TV joke — how it was lighthearted, bad humor, certainly in the context of what happened, but it was a joke.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah, it was dark humor, I would say, but it was clearly a joke, yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: And do you recall that joke being given at that Yardbird dinner?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I don't.
MR. RASHBAUM: Could it have been given at that Yardbird dinner?
JEFFREY LACASSE: It could have, but I don't recall it. And I actually think I might remember that, I'm sure, given what happened.
MR. RASHBAUM: I think one thing that has been established is you believe that Wendi Adelson tried to frame you for Professor Markel's murder, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I'm suspicious that there was an effort made in that way, yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: And so that has affected your viewpoint, correct?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Sure.
MR. RASHBAUM: Well, let's talk about your viewpoint.
MR. RASHBAUM: And we have to go a little bit back and repeat a couple things to put it in context.
MR. RASHBAUM: So you meet with Charlie Adelson.
MR. RASHBAUM: He tells you that he's friends with people in the criminal element.
MR. RASHBAUM: You say thanks for a great meeting, correct?
MR. RASHBAUM: Send him a nice text.
JEFFREY LACASSE: The next day I sent him a text, yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: You don't go to the police?
JEFFREY LACASSE: No, I don't go to the police.
MR. RASHBAUM: Okay. Okay.
MR. RASHBAUM: You then hear that Charlie's made a joke many times about this TV being cheaper than hiring a hitman.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Heard the joke twice.
MR. RASHBAUM: Okay. You don't go to the police?
JEFFREY LACASSE: No.
MR. RASHBAUM: Then in June, at a time when Wendi Adelson is breaking up with you, she sits you down and she says, "I have to confide the biggest secret in my life, that a year ago, my brother actually looked into hiring a hitman." That's your testimony here today, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: You said in June, sir?
MR. RASHBAUM: In June?
MR. RASHBAUM: I'm sorry. Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: I'm sorry. In July.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Okay. In July. Can you restate that? I'm sorry.
MR. RASHBAUM: Yeah, I'll do it again. I'm sorry.
MR. RASHBAUM: I'll try to keep it lower this time.
MR. RASHBAUM: In July of 2014, yes, about a week before the murder, when you're breaking up with Wendi Adelson — or things are seriously not good — she sits you down, she says, "Jeffrey, I've got to confide in you, my brother actually looked into hiring a hitman." That's your testimony here today?
JEFFREY LACASSE: No, she didn't sit me down. She said it in passing, and she had a habit of blurting out things that weren't in her own self-interest.
MR. RASHBAUM: But she did do that. She did make that statement.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes, sir.
MR. RASHBAUM: And it was chilling to you.
JEFFREY LACASSE: It was.
MR. RASHBAUM: Unlike the joke, you thought it was real.
JEFFREY LACASSE: It was real. Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: Did you go to the police?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I did not.
MR. RASHBAUM: And then you break up.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Kind of. She kept stringing along for another week, as you know.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Mostly, yeah, but kind of.
MR. RASHBAUM: Well, the murder happens and you get called in as a suspect of the murder, right? And you're upset at that point.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes, I was upset.
MR. RASHBAUM: And you have a first interview with the police, and then you have a second interview with the police.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: And during the second interview with the police, you talked solely about Wendi Adelson.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah, I think that's right. I felt like I needed to say they needed to look at Wendi Adelson as well. That was the point of that talk.
MR. RASHBAUM: Yes, sir. That was the point of that talk?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: And you don't mention actually Charlie Adelson at all in that second interview.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Already had done so, so yes, you're correct.
MR. RASHBAUM: So that second interview, you talk just about Wendi Adelson. And in fact, you're so uncomfortable in the interview, you tell the police — you say, "I'm so uncomfortable." And Detective Isom asked you why. Do you recall that?
JEFFREY LACASSE: It wasn't Detective Isom.
MR. RASHBAUM: Okay, I'm sorry. The detective who was interviewing you asked you why.
JEFFREY LACASSE: I don't — you have to remind me on that.
MR. RASHBAUM: Well, let me remind you what you said. You said, "Because it's hard for me, because if she would take me back right now, I would go back to her."
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah, I was still under her spell to some degree. I would say I was, uh, fairly pathetic at that point. I would acknowledge that, yeah.
MR. RASHBAUM: So let me understand this, because I want to make sure I've got it right. I don't want to put words in your mouth.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Sure.
MR. RASHBAUM: Wendi Adelson has told you that her brother looked into hiring a hitman sometime in 2013.
MR. RASHBAUM: He — gets murdered.
JEFFREY LACASSE: He does.
MR. RASHBAUM: You go to an interview, and during that interview, you're still thinking about staying with Wendi Adelson. You don't want to talk badly about her because you still want to be with her.
JEFFREY LACASSE: You're talking about this July 23rd interview specifically?
MR. RASHBAUM: Yes.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah, it only been a week. It was still pretty fresh. I was still pretty mixed up.
MR. RASHBAUM: That's right. Okay, well, let's see how mixed up you were after that.
MR. RASHBAUM: So then you're clearly broken up at that point. We can agree, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Actually, I would say yes, functionally. I've testified before.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Ms. Adelson and I had conversations in August where she behaved as if we were still together. And we had a conversation that finally ended it, initiated by me. Now, practically, we were broken up.
MR. RASHBAUM: You never dated. You never went on a date with her again, right? Never saw her again.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Okay, right. Fair enough. Fair enough.
MR. RASHBAUM: Then she tells you, according to you, that my client Charlie Adelson — that she had a celebration dinner with Charlie and that the celebration dinner was about the murder of Professor Markel.
JEFFREY LACASSE: I don't recall saying that last part.
MR. RASHBAUM: But that's how you took it, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I worried that was the case. I told the police. And my understanding is Wendi conceded she threw up on a dinner table.
MR. RASHBAUM: Do you know that the first time you told the police that was in March of 2015?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I do know that.
MR. RASHBAUM: So what happened in September of 2014?
MR. RASHBAUM: What happened in October of 2014? What happened in November of 2014?
MR. RASHBAUM: What happened in December of 2014? January of '15? February of '15? You still didn't think that was important to tell the police?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I'm happy to answer. I think you deserve an explanation on that. You may have noticed in my March 6, 2015 interview, I come in with notes — big pile of notes. Those notes are written in July and August; they're written pretty quick after the murder. I didn't come in right away partially because I was scared of your client. I was scared of the repercussions if I went on the record further about my suspicion. So I was reluctant to come back in because I was frankly scared.
MR. RASHBAUM: Oh, I get it. You were scared of him in August of '14, but you weren't scared of him in March of 2015.
JEFFREY LACASSE: I decided to man up. I decided it was a homicide and I needed to man up. That's the decision I gave him.
MR. RASHBAUM: Right. You weren't scared to tell him that my client had actually — you looked into a hitman a year earlier. That didn't scare you. You could tell them that in July.
JEFFREY LACASSE: No, I wasn't.
MR. RASHBAUM: Hold on, sir. Let me ask the question.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Fair enough.
MR. RASHBAUM: In July of 2014, you told police that Charlie Adelson, you heard, actually looked at hiring a hitman.
MR. RASHBAUM: You weren't scared to tell them that.
JEFFREY LACASSE: I asked for police protection. I was scared.
MR. RASHBAUM: You told them that in July of 2014.
MR. RASHBAUM: Isn't that correct?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Correct. Yes, in the same conversation I said, "Can I get some assurances? Can I get some protection? I have something I want to tell you. I'm scared to tell you."
MR. RASHBAUM: But you were too scared to tell them about a celebration dinner comment and you waited almost half a year to tell them?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Well, I did wait half a year to tell them, but the notes I brought in were written right after that interview. I also wanted to get my thoughts together because I thought this day might come, and in those first two interviews, there was a lot going on. It was pretty traumatic, so I wanted to collect my thoughts. So that's what I was doing, in addition to being pretty frightened and having to get over that idea.
MR. RASHBAUM: Isn't it true that those comments never happened, and you're upset because you believe that this family tried to frame you for murder?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Everything I'm saying is true.
MR. RASHBAUM: I'm sure it is.
MR. RASHBAUM: May I have a moment, Your Honor?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Move to strike the "I'm sure it is" comment.
MR. RASHBAUM: I'll withdraw it. I have no further questions.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: This may seem like a fine point, but I want to make sure it's crystal clear.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: When Mr. Rashbaum was asking you about the hot tub conversation, Mr. Rashbaum said that his client said that he was friends with people in the criminal element. Is that exactly what was said?
JEFFREY LACASSE: The word I recall is he had connections and friends on both sides of the tracks.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Connections to criminal — the criminal particularly?
JEFFREY LACASSE: There was the Cuban neighborhood comment that I repeated to TPD later.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Gotcha.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Actually, on July 21st, first interview, I mentioned that comment.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. How many pages of notes do you have in reference to this case?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Like right now, or over the last nine years?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: I mean, kind of over the last nine years.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah. I'm a researcher by training, I'm an analytic person by nature, so those six months was pretty obsessive. I was reviewing every text message, every email — writing, writing, writing. I condensed it down. I think if you watch the videotape, you can see me bring in three, four, five pages, but I would say I wrote probably a hundred pages before I came in to see them the third time. Going through every receipt, every detail.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Partially out of what motivation?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Pretty traumatic, so fear was part of it — like, if they can catch the people that did this, I'll be safe. That was a big piece of it. Also, this was a brutal murder and I wanted to see justice done. And I did not want to leave something sitting on the shelf. If I was in the possession of something that could help, I wanted to help.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And you did. Isn't it true that you didn't know what was going to end up being important out of all the nuggets you dug out of the phone and everywhere else?
JEFFREY LACASSE: No idea. And I also told them repeatedly, "I hope and pray this wasn't Wendi and Charlie Adelson."
JEFFREY LACASSE: But just in case, here's the stuff I have.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And Mr. Rashbaum asked you about why didn't you go to the police when you learned that Mr. Adelson had, in fact, looked into hiring a hitman.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: This was, just to reiterate, the statement was made the Monday before the murder? Is that right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: That's correct.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And that's the statement where Wendi's relating it to you?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, so that's going to be in 2014.
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And she's making a statement about something that occurred in what year?
JEFFREY LACASSE: 2013.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, why didn't you go to the police with this information?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Because it was a past tense thing she was reporting. I did not sense there was a present danger. I didn't know hit men had already visited Tallahassee. I didn't realize there was an active murder plot.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: In hindsight, should you have gone to the police with this information?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Nothing else, Your Honor.
JUDGE EVERETT: Mr. Lacasse, you may step down. Mr. Rashbaum did you have something you needed to address?
MR. RASHBAUM: May we do a sidebar very briefly?
JUDGE EVERETT: Approach.
MR. RASHBAUM: I think what may make sense first, with all respect, is maybe let them just ask him whether he has the notes first, and whether they can get them, rather than do an inquiry. I don't think the state has done anything wrong.
JUDGE EVERETT: Well, I think that directly goes to factor one, whether there is a violation, but yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: I don't think there's a violation, but I think I'm entitled to the notes if he has them, and then I can recall them.
JUDGE EVERETT: Very well.
JUDGE EVERETT: Does your client need to use the restroom or take a break? All right, we'll take a 10-minute break and we'll go back on at 3:40. Miss Cappleman, how many — or how many more witnesses do you plan to call before we?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: I have two, Your Honor. But...[unintelligible]
JUDGE EVERETT: Okay.
MR. RASHBAUM: Who are the two?
JUDGE EVERETT: 3:40 to start again.
JUDGE EVERETT: Are they ready back there? Okay.
JUDGE EVERETT: Just — okay.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: ...if Mr. Rashbaum would like to inquire the witness about the notes we figured we'll do that now.
JUDGE EVERETT: Without the jury or with?
MS. CAPPLEMAN: With.
JUDGE EVERETT: Okay.
MR. RASHBAUM: It'll be quick, Your Honor. I promise.
JUDGE EVERETT: One, in question, that becomes nine?
MR. RASHBAUM: I didn't say that.
JUDGE EVERETT: Everyone may be seated.
JUDGE EVERETT: Members of the jury, the defense is going to have a very brief recross of Mr. Lacasse.
MR. RASHBAUM: Mr. Lacasse, those notes, pages and pages of notes, did you provide them to the prosecutors?
JEFFREY LACASSE: No, they were destroyed. I used them to guide my interviews with investigators, and then I destroyed them.
MR. RASHBAUM: You destroyed them?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: Why did you destroy them?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I don't know they would have been of any use to anyone else. They were just little talking points for me. We went through every single thing on my notes. It was on videotape, and then I got rid of the notes.
MR. RASHBAUM: So when you were on the videotape, you were reading your notes?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Well, I was using them as prompts to remember to talk about each thing. The investigator guided the interview, so sometimes we didn't stick straight to them, but I made sure everything on the note got discussed with investigators.
MR. RASHBAUM: But we wouldn't know that because we can't see them today, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: No, but you can watch the videotape of my interview with Craig Isom and see what's on the notes.
MR. RASHBAUM: Oh, I can see, actually, the writing on that videotape?
JEFFREY LACASSE: I guess not, but that's the material that was covered.
MR. RASHBAUM: Sir, truth is, you destroyed those notes and we can't review them, right?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MR. RASHBAUM: No further questions.
JUDGE EVERETT: Re-redirect, Ms. Cappleman.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was there any law or instruction from a law enforcement officer requiring you to do something with your personal notes?
JEFFREY LACASSE: No, I don't think I even needed to create notes. I chose to — to organize my thoughts, to talk to Investigator Isom, but it was to help me make sure I covered what I wanted to cover. And, of course, he ended up asking most of the questions anyway. That's how it works.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: And everything in the notes is included in the interview?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yes.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was provided to us?
JEFFREY LACASSE: Yeah.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Nothing further. Thank you.
JUDGE EVERETT: You may step down, sir. Please call your next witness.