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Charlie Adelson transcript transcript Wendi Adelson — Cross/Redirect - Day 2 - Charlie Adelson Wendi Adelson's testimony concludes on Day 2: Rashbaum finishes cross-examination focused on her pre-murder plans and post-murder cooperation, Cappleman delivers redirect rehabilitating her credibility and clarifying she is not a charged co-conspirator, and Judge Everett dismisses her subject to possible recall. Georgia CapplemanDan RashbaumStephen EverettWendi AdelsonMr. RashbaumWendi AdelsonJudge EverettOff RecordMs. Capplemancrossredirectprocedural
Charlie Adelson / Day 2 / October 27, 2023
9 pages · 7 witnesses · 3,265 lines
Wendi Adelson's testimony concludes on Day 2: Rashbaum finishes cross-examination focused on her pre-murder plans and post-murder cooperation, Cappleman delivers redirect rehabilitating her credibility and clarifying she is not a charged co-conspirator, and Judge Everett dismisses her subject to possible recall.
Proceedings
Cross Wendi Adelson - Cross (Part 2) Line 1
Redirect Wendi Adelson - Redirect Line 424
Procedural Recess and Sidebar Preview — Next Two Witnesses Line 632
1 1:35

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall that your parents and Charlie were quite excited to come watch you in Tallahassee at this event in August?

2 1:44
3 1:45

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall your brother saying he couldn't wait to book a ticket, that it was fucking awesome?

4 1:52

WENDI ADELSON: Yeah, he was very excited.

5 2:11

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall discussing with Professor Markel who would have custody of the boys during various trips in August and September of 2014?

6 2:21
7 2:21

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall having those discussions in July of 2014?

8 2:25

WENDI ADELSON: That would make sense, yeah.

9 2:27

MR. RASHBAUM: Do — you recall scheduling a whole host of meetings after July 18, 2014?

10 2:37
11 2:39

MR. RASHBAUM: Let me be more precise. Before July 18, 2014, do you recall scheduling a bunch of meetings that were to occur after July 18, 2014 in Tallahassee?

12 2:52
13 2:53

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall making plans with a friend moving to Tallahassee for July 25th, 2014?

14 3:01

WENDI ADELSON: I don't.

15 3:02

MR. RASHBAUM: Let me see if I can refresh your memory.

16 3:10

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you know an individual named Tahira Lee?

17 3:14
18 3:15

MR. RASHBAUM: May I approach, Your Honor, with defense exhibit 15?

19 3:38

MR. RASHBAUM: I would direct you to the email on June 17, 2014, which I think is the fourth email on the first page, and see if that refreshes your memory, but feel free to look at the whole document.

20 3:49

WENDI ADELSON: I see it, but you were asking if they were moving to Tallahassee on the 25th, or if I know?

21 3:56

MR. RASHBAUM: Okay, sorry, I'll repeat the question. Okay, do you recall making plans with her where you said you would make plans with her after August 25th, 2014, because your family was coming to town?

22 4:17

WENDI ADELSON: Yes, and —

23 4:24

MR. RASHBAUM: — that happened, that correspondence was in late June of 2014?

24 4:29
25 4:30

MR. RASHBAUM: Do — you — do you recall in June — you can put that aside now — do you recall in June of 2014, late June of 2014, expressing interest in joining the board of a Tallahassee-based child advocacy nonprofit called American Children's Campaign?

26 4:54
27 4:54

MR. RASHBAUM: That was in Tallahassee, right?

28 4:56

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall scheduling a meeting for July 23, 2014, with a professor, Van Dern, with the FSU College of Medicine?

29 5:11

WENDI ADELSON: So I don't, but I ran a medical-legal partnership, so I would have been setting up meetings with the medical school, with the law school, with the social work school, so that would have been normal, but I — I don't remember it specifically.

30 5:44

MR. RASHBAUM: May I approach, Your Honor?

31 5:46

MR. RASHBAUM: Does this refresh your recollection that you were scheduling a meeting with Professor Van Duren for July 23rd of 2014?

32 6:07
33 6:13

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall schedule — you can put that aside. Okay.

34 6:16

MR. RASHBAUM: Do — do you recall scheduling a meeting with your divorce lawyer to meet any time of the week of July 21, 2014?

35 6:26

WENDI ADELSON: Again, I don't remember specifically, but it sounds like it would have made sense for the time.

36 6:33

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you know an individual named Cindy Jean?

37 6:36
38 6:37

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you remember emailing her and asking her if the kids were available to go swimming at the pool on July 19th to 20th?

39 6:45

WENDI ADELSON: I don't remember, but it sounds like something I would have asked.

40 6:50

MR. RASHBAUM: May I approach, Your Honor, with defense exhibit 20 for identification purposes only?

41 6:56

MR. RASHBAUM: Does — this refresh your memory about trying to set up that play date for July 20th or July 19th with Miss Jean?

42 7:12
43 7:13

MR. RASHBAUM: You can put that aside. Do — you recall that your mom planned to visit Tallahassee in November of 2014?

44 7:31

WENDI ADELSON: I don't remember that.

45 7:33

MR. RASHBAUM: I'm — showing — may I approach, Your Honor, with defense exhibit 21 for identification purposes only?

46 7:46
47 7:47

MR. RASHBAUM: Does — this refresh your memory that your parents planned on being in Tallahassee on November 17th? Is that a fresh memory? Do — you — recall asking your parents to come to Tallahassee on August 1, 2014, for a birthday party with Ben — for Ben?

48 8:34

WENDI ADELSON: I don't remember doing that, but that sounds — it's close in time to his — his birthday.

49 8:41

MR. RASHBAUM: May I approach, Your Honor, with Defense Exhibit 22.

50 9:05

MR. RASHBAUM: Does this refresh your recollection that you were going to have a birthday party for Ben in Tallahassee in early August of 2014?

51 9:16

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

52 9:17

MR. RASHBAUM: You can put that aside.

53 9:19

MR. RASHBAUM: And that your parents were going to come up for that?

54 9:19
55 9:23

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall making flight reservations to travel to Newark and then back to Tallahassee? So you're going to leave from Tallahassee, go to Newark, come back to Tallahassee for a wedding in October 2014.

56 9:39
57 9:39

MR. RASHBAUM: And you made those reservations in July of 2014.

58 9:44

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall that?

59 9:46

WENDI ADELSON: I don't recall when I made the reservation, but I remember the wedding.

60 9:49

MR. RASHBAUM: May I approach, Your Honor, with Defense Exhibit 23.

61 9:56

MR. RASHBAUM: Does this refresh your recollection that the reservation was made sometime around July 14, 2014?

62 10:21
63 10:22

MR. RASHBAUM: That you were booking tickets for a wedding in New Jersey on October 24, 2014?

64 10:33
65 10:35

MR. RASHBAUM: And the cost of those tickets were over $400, right?

66 10:38

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

67 10:39

MR. RASHBAUM: Put that aside. Those tickets weren't to go back to Miami, were they?

68 10:45

WENDI ADELSON: No, it was Tallahassee to Newark, Newark to Tallahassee.

69 10:49

MR. RASHBAUM: Why did you — why did you make those tickets to go back to Tallahassee?

70 10:52

WENDI ADELSON: That is where I lived.

71 10:53

MR. RASHBAUM: We're gonna move on to another subject.

72 11:08

MR. RASHBAUM: Miss Cappleman talked a little bit yesterday about the litigation that occurred after the relocation litigation with Professor Markel. You recall that?

73 11:19
74 11:19

MR. RASHBAUM: And there were these pieces of litigation back and forth about money and about filing false affidavits. You remember those?

75 11:33
76 11:34

MR. RASHBAUM: It was what was called the motion against your mom that Professor Markel filed. You recall that, right?

77 11:41
78 11:41

MR. RASHBAUM: With regards to the motion that Professor Markel filed claiming that you and your attorney filed a false affidavit, did you get the sense that you were gonna prevail on that litigation?

79 11:58
80 11:59

MR. RASHBAUM: Was the judge getting frustrated with Professor Markel on that litigation?

81 12:04
82 12:05

MR. RASHBAUM: Did the judge admonish Professor Markel regarding that litigation?

83 12:10

WENDI ADELSON: The judge said he needed to stop.

84 12:13

MR. RASHBAUM: Were you concerned about getting disbarred?

85 12:16
86 12:17

MR. RASHBAUM: I want to talk a little bit about Jeff Lacasse.

87 12:46

MR. RASHBAUM: You first met Mr. Lacasse in the fall of 2013?

88 12:50
89 12:52

MR. RASHBAUM: It was casual at first?

90 12:54

WENDI ADELSON: It was.

91 12:54

MR. RASHBAUM: You were dating other people as well?

92 12:56
93 12:57

MR. RASHBAUM: It got more serious around March of 2014?

94 13:01

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

95 13:02

MR. RASHBAUM: He was, fair to say, he was in love with you?

96 13:05

WENDI ADELSON: I don't really remember. I don't think I could say, but it was more serious.

97 13:11

MR. RASHBAUM: Okay. You weren't so sure about him, is that fair to say?

98 13:14

WENDI ADELSON: I think my feelings developed over time.

99 13:16

MR. RASHBAUM: And then they undeveloped?

100 13:18

WENDI ADELSON: And then they undeveloped.

101 13:20

MR. RASHBAUM: You were very different people from very different backgrounds, right?

102 13:24
103 13:27

MR. RASHBAUM: He didn't spend much time with your parents, right?

104 13:30

WENDI ADELSON: I think maybe he met them once.

105 13:33

MR. RASHBAUM: He wanted to meet them more than once, right? He didn't like that he didn't get to see them more times.

106 13:38

WENDI ADELSON: I think he wanted to be more integrated into my life.

107 13:46

MR. RASHBAUM: Jeff Lacasse met Charlie Adelson one time in March of 2014, right?

108 13:53

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

109 13:54

MR. RASHBAUM: He accompanied you on a trip with law students, right?

110 13:57

WENDI ADELSON: I used to run an alternative spring break, and he came with me.

111 14:02

MR. RASHBAUM: And you decided to come down to South Florida for a day or two, right?

112 14:08

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

113 14:09

MR. RASHBAUM: And you had dinner at a place called Yardbird, right?

114 14:14

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

115 14:15

MR. RASHBAUM: Are you aware that that happened on March 11, 2014?

116 14:19

WENDI ADELSON: No, I don't remember the date, just that it was during the spring break.

117 14:23

MR. RASHBAUM: Fair enough.

118 14:27

MR. RASHBAUM: You remember sitting outside on the patio?

119 14:30
120 14:31

MR. RASHBAUM: And it was you and Mr. Lacasse and Charlie and a woman named Katherine Magbanua. Do you recall that?

121 14:40

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

122 14:41

MR. RASHBAUM: Who was Charlie's girlfriend at the time?

123 14:43
124 14:46

MR. RASHBAUM: Are you aware that Sigfredo Garcia was watching you at that dinner?

125 14:50
126 14:52

MR. RASHBAUM: Are you aware that he was contemplating running your brother over with his car at that dinner?

127 14:58
128 15:03

MR. RASHBAUM: After dinner, you and Jeff Lacasse stayed at Charlie's house, right?

129 15:09

WENDI ADELSON: We did.

130 15:11

MR. RASHBAUM: Ms. Magbanua wasn't there, right?

131 15:13

WENDI ADELSON: I don't remember her being there.

132 15:15

MR. RASHBAUM: It was just the three of you?

133 15:16

WENDI ADELSON: I think so.

134 15:17

MR. RASHBAUM: And you left the next morning?

135 15:19

WENDI ADELSON: We did.

136 15:20

MR. RASHBAUM: Now you and Mr. Lacasse started having issues around May of 2014, is that fair to say?

137 15:34

WENDI ADELSON: That sounds about right.

138 15:36

MR. RASHBAUM: You started to become nervous around him?

139 15:40

WENDI ADELSON: I don't really remember if I was nervous around him, but I started thinking it wasn't the right relationship.

140 15:46

MR. RASHBAUM: He started accusing you of being unfaithful, right?

141 15:49

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

142 15:52

MR. RASHBAUM: He accused you of having an affair with someone that you had previously dated?

143 15:56

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

144 15:57

OFF RECORD: Excuse me.

145 15:58

MR. RASHBAUM: You told him that you didn't. You denied it.

146 16:01

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

147 16:02

MR. RASHBAUM: And he didn't believe you?

148 16:03

WENDI ADELSON: He did not.

149 16:06

MR. RASHBAUM: And before, this individual that you used to date, you had coffee with at a place called All Saints in Tallahassee, right?

150 16:17
151 16:18

MR. RASHBAUM: And Mr. Lacasse saw you having coffee with this individual, right?

152 16:22

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

153 16:24

MR. RASHBAUM: And that caused a confrontation, is that fair to say?

154 16:27

WENDI ADELSON: He flew into a rage.

155 16:32

MR. RASHBAUM: Subsequently, he went through your phone and planner, right?

156 16:34

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

157 16:38

MR. RASHBAUM: This is around May, June of 2014?

158 16:41

WENDI ADELSON: That sounds right.

159 16:43

MR. RASHBAUM: And you and Mr. Lacasse went to Gainesville for a weekend for his work at some point around this time frame?

160 16:51
161 16:52

MR. RASHBAUM: And that Saturday night, June 28th, he basically exploded at you?

162 16:58

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

163 16:59

MR. RASHBAUM: He yelled at you for hours?

164 17:00

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

165 17:02

MR. RASHBAUM: He accused you of having affairs with multiple people?

166 17:04

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

167 17:06

MR. RASHBAUM: You were very upset, to say the least.

168 17:08

WENDI ADELSON: I was devastated, yeah.

169 17:11

MR. RASHBAUM: Now, you were scheduled to leave for South Florida — I believe it was on June 30th or June 29th — to celebrate your dad's 70th birthday, right?

170 17:21

WENDI ADELSON: That sounds right.

171 17:22

MR. RASHBAUM: And Mr. Lacasse wasn't invited?

172 17:24
173 17:27

MR. RASHBAUM: You went down to South Florida on June 30th, and you and the boys stayed with your parents, right?

174 17:32

WENDI ADELSON: We did.

175 17:34

MR. RASHBAUM: You had the boys with you the whole time?

176 17:36
177 17:39

MR. RASHBAUM: Dan Markel didn't have the boys at that point in time. The boys were with you?

178 17:43
179 17:44

MR. RASHBAUM: And Charlie knew that, right?

180 17:46

WENDI ADELSON: Yes, he was with us.

181 17:50

MR. RASHBAUM: Your mom planned a big party for the birthday?

182 17:54

WENDI ADELSON: She did.

183 17:56

MR. RASHBAUM: I think when Ms. Cappleman asked you if the birthday fell on a Saturday, you weren't sure.

184 18:03

WENDI ADELSON: I remembered it being on his actual birthday, which I thought was a Saturday, but I don't remember the calendar from 2014.

185 18:11

MR. RASHBAUM: May I approach, Your Honor, with Defendant's Exhibit 25?

186 18:28

MR. RASHBAUM: Ms. Adelson, does this refresh your recollection that July 5, 2014, was on a Saturday?

187 18:36
188 18:37

MR. RASHBAUM: And that the party was at 7:30 p.m. or thereabouts?

189 18:41
190 18:53

MR. RASHBAUM: Now, when you got back to Tallahassee, you saw Mr. Lacasse on July 13th?

191 19:02

WENDI ADELSON: That sounds right.

192 19:03

MR. RASHBAUM: And when you saw him, it was not a good meeting, is that fair to say?

193 19:11

WENDI ADELSON: It's uncomfortable, yeah.

194 19:19

MR. RASHBAUM: You saw him the next day at a yoga studio?

195 19:21

WENDI ADELSON: I went to yoga and he wanted to come, and it was awkward.

196 19:26

MR. RASHBAUM: It was, and kind of tense?

197 19:28

WENDI ADELSON: It was.

198 19:30

MR. RASHBAUM: And he asked to see you again later that week?

199 19:33

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

200 19:34

MR. RASHBAUM: And you didn't want to?

201 19:35

WENDI ADELSON: I did not.

202 19:37

MR. RASHBAUM: And when you got home that night, you sent him an email asking him not to contact you for at least seven days, that you wanted to think things over. Is that fair to say?

203 19:46
204 19:48

MR. RASHBAUM: You never saw him again, right?

205 19:50
206 20:32

MR. RASHBAUM: Are you now aware that there was a first attempt on your ex-husband's life on June 4th and June 5th of 2014?

207 20:42
208 20:49

MR. RASHBAUM: When you lived with Professor Markel on Trescott, was your address publicly listed?

209 20:57

WENDI ADELSON: I believe so.

210 21:28

MR. RASHBAUM: May I have one moment, Your Honor?

211 21:30

MR. RASHBAUM: I have a schedule for the Markel children.

212 21:43

JUDGE EVERETT: Very well.

213 21:51

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you need a copy, Your Honor?

214 21:52

JUDGE EVERETT: I have it right here.

215 21:54

JUDGE EVERETT: I'm just bringing up instruction 2.3.

216 22:40

JUDGE EVERETT: Members of the jury, when the parties agree that certain facts are true, that is called a stipulation of fact. You must accept stipulated facts as having been proven. However, the significance of these facts, as with all facts, is for you to decide. In this case, the stipulated facts that you must accept as true are: the Markel children were enrolled at Creative Preschool located in Tallahassee. During the week of July 14th, 2014, their drop-off/pick-up schedule was as follows.

217 23:15

JUDGE EVERETT: Monday, July 14, 2014, dropped off at 8:55 a.m. by Dan Markel, picked up at 5 p.m. by Dan Markel. Tuesday, July 15, 2014, dropped off at 8:25 a.m. by Dan Markel, picked up at 4:50 p.m. by Dan Markel. Wednesday, July 16, 2014, dropped off at 9 a.m. by Dan Markel, picked up at 4:30 p.m. by Wendi Adelson. Thursday, July 17, 2014, dropped off at 8:30 a.m. by Wendi Adelson, picked up at 4:45 p.m. by Dan Markel.

218 24:03

JUDGE EVERETT: Friday, July 18, 2014, dropped off at 8:50 a.m. by Dan Markel.

219 24:10

MR. RASHBAUM: Thank you, Your Honor.

220 24:12

MR. RASHBAUM: So I want to first focus your attention on the July 17, 2014 schedule.

221 24:18

MR. RASHBAUM: On July 17, 2014, as Your Honor just recited, do you recall dropping the kids off at school at 8:30 in the morning?

222 24:32
223 24:33

MR. RASHBAUM: And Professor Markel picked them up at 4:45 p.m. on that day, thereabouts.

224 24:39

WENDI ADELSON: Which I just heard, but I wouldn't have known what time.

225 24:42

MR. RASHBAUM: You didn't pick them up that day?

226 24:43

WENDI ADELSON: No, it wasn't my day.

227 24:45

MR. RASHBAUM: So it would be impossible — the person would be wrong if they said that they saw you and the kids by Professor Markel's house in the afternoon or morning of July 17, 2014, correct?

228 25:03

WENDI ADELSON: It would be some other woman and some other kids.

229 25:15

MR. RASHBAUM: You spoke to your mom probably close to daily, right?

230 25:20

WENDI ADELSON: Yeah, during this time period.

231 25:22

MR. RASHBAUM: She would know when you had the kids and didn't have the kids, right?

232 25:25

WENDI ADELSON: Probably.

233 25:34

MR. RASHBAUM: I want to go back to something briefly that we talked about yesterday before we stopped.

234 25:40

MR. RASHBAUM: You knew that Professor Markel posted his travel plans on Facebook and on his PrawfsBlawg, right?

235 25:47
236 25:48

MR. RASHBAUM: He would talk about places and conferences that he was speaking at, right?

237 25:52

WENDI ADELSON: He would.

238 25:56

MR. RASHBAUM: Are you aware that on the weekend of the 20th, he was supposed to speak at a conference in New Jersey and he posted it on PrawfsBlawg as well as on Facebook?

239 26:08
240 26:42

MR. RASHBAUM: Let's talk a little bit about Best Buy.

241 26:45

MR. RASHBAUM: May I approach, Your Honor?

242 26:58

JUDGE EVERETT: You may.

243 26:59

MR. RASHBAUM: I'm showing you what's marked for identification purposes only as Defense Exhibits 29 and 30.

244 27:24

MR. RASHBAUM: Looking at Defense Exhibit 29, does that refresh your recollection that the warranty was under your father's name for that TV?

245 27:35

WENDI ADELSON: Mm-hmm.

246 27:37

MR. RASHBAUM: That warranty with the Geek Squad?

247 27:38

WENDI ADELSON: Yes. Yes.

248 27:39

MR. RASHBAUM: Now, looking at — before you look at Exhibit 20 — do you recall that your mother scheduled the appointment for the TV to be fixed with this Geek Squad?

249 27:56

WENDI ADELSON: I remember that I scheduled it, but it looks like she scheduled it and gave me the number to call in case I needed to reschedule it.

250 28:04

MR. RASHBAUM: And in fact, she emailed you on July 11th and told you if you can't keep the appointment on the 18th, call this number to reschedule it, right?

251 28:13
252 28:13

MR. RASHBAUM: You — can put that aside. I — want to talk a little bit more about July 18th. Um, do you recall leaving your house that day on Aqua Ridge Way around 12:30 in the afternoon?

253 28:56
254 28:57

MR. RASHBAUM: And you were going to meet a friend for lunch at a place called Mosaic?

255 29:01
256 29:04

MR. RASHBAUM: But you had to pick up a bottle of — I don't know if it's bourbon or whiskey, I don't even know if they're the same thing — but Bulleit whiskey.

257 29:12

WENDI ADELSON: It was, um, bourbon.

258 29:13
259 29:13

WENDI ADELSON: Um, it was for your friend's — uh, wedding shower that night. They were having a stock-the-bar party, so they asked for specific kinds of alcohol to stock the bar.

260 29:28

MR. RASHBAUM: And, um, I'm — showing you what's marked as Defense Exhibit 32. Is this the invitation that you received?

261 29:45
262 29:51

MR. RASHBAUM: That's it, Judge.

263 30:04

MR. RASHBAUM: I would move Defense Exhibit 32 into evidence at this point in time.

264 30:04

JUDGE EVERETT: Any objection?

265 30:06

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Hearsay, Your Honor.

266 30:09

JUDGE EVERETT: Any exception?

267 30:12

MR. RASHBAUM: State of mind.

268 30:19

JUDGE EVERETT: The objection is sustained.

269 30:29

MR. RASHBAUM: Do— Do you recall on the right-hand, left-hand corner of the invitation it says "help the bride and groom stock the bar for their wedding and bring a bottle of Bulleit bourbon"?

270 30:58

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall that?

271 31:00
272 31:01

MR. RASHBAUM: You can put that aside.

273 31:10

MR. RASHBAUM: You decided to go to ABC Liquors on Bedden Road to look for the bourbon, right?

274 31:16
275 31:18

MR. RASHBAUM: You're not a big drinker, is that fair to say?

276 31:20

WENDI ADELSON: That is fair to say.

277 31:23

MR. RASHBAUM: You went to that — that store — because you were familiar with it?

278 31:26

WENDI ADELSON: I'd seen it close to my house, so.

279 31:29

MR. RASHBAUM: Close to your old house?

280 31:30

WENDI ADELSON: Close to my old house.

281 31:33

MR. RASHBAUM: There could have been liquor stores that were closer to your current house?

282 31:37
283 31:43

MR. RASHBAUM: Now, when you drove to ABC Liquor, you tried to go through Trescott.

284 31:50

MR. RASHBAUM: Is that fair to say?

285 31:52

WENDI ADELSON: It was blocked.

286 31:54

MR. RASHBAUM: There are other ways to go to ABC Liquor, right? You could have gone down other roads.

287 31:58

WENDI ADELSON: I don't have the best sense of direction, so when I find a route, I just kind of keep using that route. I don't look for something else.

288 32:14

MR. RASHBAUM: You got to Mosaic at around 1 p.m.?

289 32:17

WENDI ADELSON: That sounds right.

290 32:19

MR. RASHBAUM: And your lunch was interrupted by Investigator Isom, who told you that something had happened?

291 32:24

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

292 32:26

MR. RASHBAUM: You went with him voluntarily?

293 32:28
294 32:29

MR. RASHBAUM: To speak with him?

295 32:32

MR. RASHBAUM: You let police search your car?

296 32:36
297 32:39

MR. RASHBAUM: You were interviewed with the investigator from approximately 2:45 p.m. until 7:50 p.m.?

298 32:47
299 32:47

MR. RASHBAUM: He told you that your ex-husband had been shot and was unlikely to survive, right?

300 32:58

MR. RASHBAUM: You were in shock.

301 33:03

MR. RASHBAUM: You were pretty open with police, telling them a lot of things, right?

302 33:08

WENDI ADELSON: They kept telling me they needed my help, and so I kept trying to help.

303 33:13

MR. RASHBAUM: Now, you remember on direct Miss Cappleman asked you about this interview?

304 33:18
305 33:19

MR. RASHBAUM: And she asked you about all the people you mentioned during the interview, including Charlie?

306 33:25
307 33:30

MR. RASHBAUM: And you said, "I was just reeling off names," right? In fact, isn't the first person in the interview that you mentioned — yourself?

308 33:40
309 33:41

MR. RASHBAUM: You said that you would understand if you were viewed as the prime suspect, right?

310 33:46

WENDI ADELSON: Right. Yes.

311 33:47

MR. RASHBAUM: Before you mentioned anyone else, you mentioned yourself.

312 33:51
313 33:52

MR. RASHBAUM: You told them about the motion to relocate.

314 33:55
315 33:56

MR. RASHBAUM: You told them about the fight you had with Professor Markel that very morning about some swimming for the boys.

316 34:03
317 34:06

MR. RASHBAUM: You were spitting out a lot of ideas.

318 34:09
319 34:11

MR. RASHBAUM: And you agreed to let the police search your phone.

320 34:14
321 34:16

MR. RASHBAUM: You agreed to let the police search your car.

322 34:18
323 34:19

MR. RASHBAUM: That's where they found that picture that I wasn't able to admit of the invitation of the Bulleit Bourbon, right?

324 34:25
325 34:29

MR. RASHBAUM: You agreed to be fingerprinted.

326 34:30
327 34:32

MR. RASHBAUM: You agreed to be checked for gunshot residue.

328 34:35
329 34:37

MR. RASHBAUM: You gave them your computer to be searched.

330 34:39
331 34:47

MR. RASHBAUM: Towards the end of your interview, you asked the police officer if you could call your parents, right?

332 34:55
333 34:55

MR. RASHBAUM: And the police allowed you to do that.

334 34:57
335 34:58

MR. RASHBAUM: And you called your mother's cell phone sometime around 7:04 p.m.

336 35:03
337 35:04

MR. RASHBAUM: You spoke to your mom. I don't know if you remember, but you remember your dad being in the shower because they were going out to dinner.

338 35:10

WENDI ADELSON: I don't remember.

339 35:10

MR. RASHBAUM: Your mom didn't answer, actually, the first call, and you called back a couple minutes later and she answered. Do you recall that?

340 35:19

WENDI ADELSON: I don't.

341 35:22

MR. RASHBAUM: And when you called your mom, she was surprised?

342 35:25
343 35:30

MR. RASHBAUM: And you asked her to call Charlie and tell him what happened, right?

344 35:33
345 35:41

MR. RASHBAUM: You didn't speak with Charlie that day, right?

346 35:43

WENDI ADELSON: I don't think so.

347 35:47

MR. RASHBAUM: On July 19th, the next day, you spoke to Charlie at 10:50 in the morning.

348 35:53

MR. RASHBAUM: You won't know the exact time, but do you recall speaking with him in the morning?

349 35:57

WENDI ADELSON: I honestly don't.

350 35:59

MR. RASHBAUM: Do you recall letting him know that Professor Markel had passed away in the early morning?

351 36:06

WENDI ADELSON: I don't remember the conversation.

352 36:12

MR. RASHBAUM: When your parents came directly to Tallahassee, correct?

353 36:14

WENDI ADELSON: They did.

354 36:15

MR. RASHBAUM: They stopped in Orlando and they got there on the morning of the 19th, right?

355 36:20
356 36:21

MR. RASHBAUM: And when they got there, they were scared and frantic, right?

357 36:24
358 36:26

MR. RASHBAUM: Your dad didn't sleep. He couldn't get police protection, so he planted his chair in the front of your window to make sure that no one was going to come to your house and shoot it up, right?

359 36:38

WENDI ADELSON: Correct.

360 37:01

MR. RASHBAUM: Now, you all attended a memorial service on the 20th, right?

361 37:05
362 37:18

MR. RASHBAUM: And you arranged for the Markels to see the boys after the memorial service, right?

363 37:23

WENDI ADELSON: They all came over my house.

364 37:27

MR. RASHBAUM: And you left Tallahassee, correct?

365 37:31

WENDI ADELSON: Not on the 20th. On the 21st. Yes. Yes.

366 37:36

MR. RASHBAUM: And when you left Tallahassee on the 21st, did you bring all your belongings?

367 37:43

WENDI ADELSON: I brought some swimsuits for the boys and some pajamas, and I thought we'd be back in a day or two.

368 37:52

MR. RASHBAUM: And when you left, you were not yourself.

369 37:55

WENDI ADELSON: I was a mess.

370 37:57

MR. RASHBAUM: You got to South Florida, and you realized that you could not take care of the boys alone at this point in time.

371 38:05

WENDI ADELSON: I was — I hadn't slept in days, and I was terrified to —

372 38:12

MR. RASHBAUM: Get a little more specific. You wouldn't leave the house?

373 38:14
374 38:14

MR. RASHBAUM: And you would hardly eat?

375 38:17

WENDI ADELSON: I wasn't eating, no.

376 38:24

MR. RASHBAUM: Ultimately, you decided not to come back to Tallahassee.

377 38:27

WENDI ADELSON: I mean, I made that decision much later, but —

378 38:27

MR. RASHBAUM: And you had a friend who you grew up with, I think a last name Keener, go back and get more stuff at your house, right?

379 38:44

WENDI ADELSON: He did.

380 39:03

MR. RASHBAUM: We have one more moment here.

381 39:05

MR. RASHBAUM: It's — been said in this courtroom that you have tried to erase Professor Markel's memory from your boys' lives.

382 40:11

MR. RASHBAUM: Is that true?

383 40:12

WENDI ADELSON: It's not true.

384 40:18

MR. RASHBAUM: For the first two years after the murder, did you limit Professor Markel's family from seeing the boys?

385 40:27

WENDI ADELSON: Absolutely not.

386 40:28

MR. RASHBAUM: In fact, they had complete access to the boys, right?

387 40:28

WENDI ADELSON: One hundred percent. They —

388 40:35

MR. RASHBAUM: — made dinners with the boys?

389 40:36

WENDI ADELSON: I cooked dinner for them, yes.

390 40:38

MR. RASHBAUM: Every time they visited, there were sleepovers and playdates?

391 40:43

WENDI ADELSON: That's right.

392 40:44

MR. RASHBAUM: There was no animosity at all, right? And — then in October of 2016, things changed, right?

393 40:58
394 41:00

MR. RASHBAUM: A letter was released where there was a suggestion that Professor Markel's mom was talking to the state about arranging custody for the boys in case you got arrested.

395 41:12
396 41:13

MR. RASHBAUM: And you saw that as a betrayal?

397 41:16

WENDI ADELSON: Well, the custody was foster care, so yes.

398 41:20

MR. RASHBAUM: You saw that as her thinking that you killed her son?

399 41:23
400 41:26

MR. RASHBAUM: And as a result of that, rightly or wrongly, you decided to limit their access?

401 41:31

WENDI ADELSON: I was afraid they were going to put my children in foster care.

402 41:40

MR. RASHBAUM: Do your children know anything about their father?

403 41:43

WENDI ADELSON: They know a lot about their dad.

404 41:47

MR. RASHBAUM: Do they have a picture of him in their bedroom?

405 41:50

WENDI ADELSON: Each boy has a picture of them and their dad over their bed that we say good morning to and good night to every day.

406 41:59

MR. RASHBAUM: Did you benefit from Professor Markel's death?

407 42:04
408 42:10

MR. RASHBAUM: Well, you got to live in South Florida.

409 42:13

WENDI ADELSON: It's not a benefit.

410 42:33

MR. RASHBAUM: How are your boys doing?

411 42:35

WENDI ADELSON: They're doing very well, thank you.

412 42:36

MR. RASHBAUM: How have your job prospects been since this case hit the news?

413 42:43

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Objection, relevance.

414 42:45

JUDGE EVERETT: Sustained.

415 42:46

MR. RASHBAUM: How are you doing?

416 42:47

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Objection, relevance.

417 42:49

JUDGE EVERETT: Sustained.

418 42:50

MR. RASHBAUM: Has this affected your life negatively or positively?

419 42:53

WENDI ADELSON: Negatively.

420 42:54

MR. RASHBAUM: Does Charlie love his nephews?

421 43:01

WENDI ADELSON: Very much.

422 43:03

MR. RASHBAUM: May I have one moment, Your Honor?

423 43:05

MR. RASHBAUM: Thank you Ms. Adelson, I have no further questions.

424 43:28

JUDGE EVERETT: Redirect examination.

425 43:29

MS. CAPPLEMAN: The long list of plans that you went over with Mr. Rashbaum that you were going to have in Tallahassee post-murder date — None of those plans happened, right?

426 43:48
427 43:49

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Because you moved to South Florida, right?

428 43:51

WENDI ADELSON: Because I felt unsafe to stay here. Yes.

429 43:54

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you feel safe in South Florida?

430 43:56
431 43:57

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you buy a house in Tallahassee after the murder?

432 44:00

WENDI ADELSON: No, I did not.

433 44:01

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you rent a house in Tallahassee after the murder?

434 44:03

WENDI ADELSON: No, I didn't live in Tallahassee after the murder.

435 44:06

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did the boys go to school that fall here in Tallahassee?

436 44:10

WENDI ADELSON: No, all our plans were broken.

437 44:12

MS. CAPPLEMAN: What was the purpose of those questions? Of course you didn't — you moved to South Florida, you didn't have plans in Tallahassee that got executed. Why were you asked about all those things?

438 44:22

WENDI ADELSON: I, I don't know why I was asked questions by the defense counsel.

439 44:26

MS. CAPPLEMAN: The book event that you were asked about — did that event happen?

440 44:30

WENDI ADELSON: I didn't speak at the event, but the event still happened.

441 44:30

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Have you had several events related to that book that have happened?

442 44:39

WENDI ADELSON: I have.

443 44:40

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And what events were those? Do you mean just in Tallahassee, or do you mean in other places?

444 44:40

WENDI ADELSON: Everywhere. I've spoken at various schools about human trafficking and about my book. I think there was one event that still happened in Tallahassee about a year later.

445 44:59

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And was — is that the only book you've written, or have you written more than one book?

446 45:04

WENDI ADELSON: I've only written one book.

447 45:05

MS. CAPPLEMAN: What was the book about?

448 45:06

WENDI ADELSON: The book was about human trafficking and about the vulnerabilities that lead to trafficking, the problems when it occurs, and basically how to recover from it after.

449 45:17

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Where was the book set?

450 45:20

WENDI ADELSON: It was set in a fictional town.

451 45:22

MS. CAPPLEMAN: What was the name of the fictional town?

452 45:24

WENDI ADELSON: Hiawassee Springs.

453 45:27

MS. CAPPLEMAN: So Hiawassee.

454 45:29

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is it located in the panhandle of Florida?

455 45:32

WENDI ADELSON: No, I used to see the name when I was driving from Tallahassee to Orlando, so it's somewhere in between.

456 45:38

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was the place modeled after Tallahassee?

457 45:42

WENDI ADELSON: It was definitely somewhere in Florida, but not supposed to be about Tallahassee, no.

458 45:47

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Who was the central character in that book?

459 45:49

WENDI ADELSON: So there's three central characters. One was one of my clients, kind of a composite character from Eastern Europe. One was kind of a composite character of many clients I represented from Latin America. And one was a public interest lawyer.

460 46:04

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And was the public interest lawyer Lily?

461 46:07
462 46:08

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And is that the character that was sort of based after yourself?

463 46:11

WENDI ADELSON: No, really more based after a friend of mine.

464 46:13

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And was Hiawassee, Florida, quote, "just a small stop on the way back to what we had previously known as civilization"?

465 46:22

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is that a quote from your book?

466 46:24

WENDI ADELSON: That sounds like a quote from my book, yeah.

467 46:25

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And who's the husband of Lily, the public interest lawyer?

468 46:29

MS. CAPPLEMAN: You want his name in the book?

469 46:30

WENDI ADELSON: Yes. I think it was Josh Stone.

470 46:33

MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and what was Josh's employment?

471 46:36

WENDI ADELSON: Josh was an English professor.

472 46:43

MS. CAPPLEMAN: I'm sorry, what was your answer?

473 46:45

WENDI ADELSON: Josh was an English professor.

474 46:47

MS. CAPPLEMAN: A professor. Where did he teach?

475 46:50

WENDI ADELSON: It's been a while. I wrote the book over 10 years ago. I don't remember what I named the university in the story.

476 46:55

MS. CAPPLEMAN: North Florida State University?

477 46:57

WENDI ADELSON: That sounds right.

478 46:59
479 47:00

WENDI ADELSON: NFSU sounds right, yeah.

480 47:02

MS. CAPPLEMAN: All right, and in the book, does Lily lament, quote, "we move to this godforsaken place for Josh's career"?

481 47:10

WENDI ADELSON: Yes, that sounds like the line Lily would say.

482 47:16

MS. CAPPLEMAN: When you looked at page 187 of the divorce document on cross — and I'll hand that back to you — do you see the quote that you read previously from that page?

483 48:16

WENDI ADELSON: I don't. It

484 48:28

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Had to do with — let's see if I can find it — that you were very unhappy in the marriage. I think it's the third paragraph there.

485 48:40

WENDI ADELSON: I see that line.

486 48:40

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. "The wife has been very unhappy in the marriage and files her petition for dissolution of marriage in August 2012. The husband continues to characterize this as abandonment." And then it goes on to say that he had been disparaging you to some of the folks at the law school. Do you remember reading that?

487 49:01
488 49:01

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was that intended to be the place in this binder where you allege emotional abuse by your husband?

489 49:13

WENDI ADELSON: I mean, I think it's emotionally abusive to suggest somebody has mental health issues.

490 49:19

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. Okay. What is the profs blog? You were asked about that on cross.

491 49:33

WENDI ADELSON: Yeah, it was a blog that Danny started with some of his colleagues to kind of promote community in the law professor world.

492 49:43

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And who reads the profs blog?

493 49:47

WENDI ADELSON: Probably other law professors and people interested in becoming law professors.

494 49:53

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Who is on the crim prof listserv?

495 49:59

WENDI ADELSON: I don't know.

496 50:00

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Were you on the listserv for that profs blog?

497 50:04

WENDI ADELSON: I may have been on the listserv at some point.

498 50:07

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Do you remember seeing the post that you were shown on cross?

499 50:11
500 50:12

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And the post says something about, "Danny and I are planning to attend a conference that will begin Sunday, July 20th." Is there any other information on what you were shown about Dan's travel plans post-murder other than that?

501 50:29

WENDI ADELSON: I'm sorry, can you please repeat the question?

502 50:32

MS. CAPPLEMAN: The post says, "Danny and I" — I guess it's another professor writing this thing — "Danny and I are planning to attend a conference that will be in — Sunday, July 20th." Is that the type of information that he would typically have on something like the profs blog or Facebook?

503 50:48

WENDI ADELSON: That sounds right.

504 50:49

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. But as far as the date he's leaving, the flight he's on, that kind of stuff — would that typically be on the profs blog?

505 50:58

WENDI ADELSON: He wouldn't put what flight number he was on, but he would almost always communicate when he was going on a trip.

506 51:04

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. So going to a conference that starts July 20th might be an example. Flying to New York tomorrow would be an example, but not a flight number. But he didn't put "flying to New York tomorrow" on this occasion?

507 51:18
508 51:18

MS. CAPPLEMAN: You were referenced several times — not on direct examination by the state, but by your brother's attorney on cross — as a co-conspirator. Are you charged in this case?

509 51:25
510 51:36

MS. CAPPLEMAN: This isn't your trial, is it?

511 51:38
512 51:41

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is your brother charged with conspiring with you to do a murder?

513 51:45
514 51:45

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is he charged with conspiring with you to plan a murder?

515 51:50
516 51:51

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is he charged with soliciting you to do a murder?

517 51:54
518 51:54

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Who is he charged with doing those things with?

519 51:58

WENDI ADELSON: I don't think anyone.

520 52:00

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Have you had an opportunity to review his indictment in this case?

521 52:05

WENDI ADELSON: I have not.

522 52:05

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Who is your brother alleged to have done these crimes with?

523 52:22

WENDI ADELSON: Katherine D.

524 52:24

WENDI ADELSON: Magbanua.

525 52:27

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Were you on the wire in this case, Ms. Adelson?

526 52:31
527 52:32

MS. CAPPLEMAN: So when the bump happened — are you familiar with the event I'm referencing as the bump?

528 52:38

WENDI ADELSON: I am now.

529 52:38

MS. CAPPLEMAN: When law enforcement approached your mother on the street and handed her a piece of paper —

530 52:42
531 52:42

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And when that occurred, who did your mother call?

532 52:46

WENDI ADELSON: I don't know.

533 52:49

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Not you, right?

534 52:50

WENDI ADELSON: Not me.

535 52:51

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And once your brother found out about the bump, did he call you about it?

536 52:55
537 52:55

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Who did he call?

538 52:57

WENDI ADELSON: I don't know.

539 52:58

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Well, you listened to the calls to authenticate the voices, didn't you?

540 53:01

WENDI ADELSON: Just — just to hear the voices, not to hear the content of the calls.

541 53:05

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. And the voices were your brother's voice, right?

542 53:09

WENDI ADELSON: But I — I listened to the calls just to hear who was on them, so I don't know what content they're referencing.

543 53:18

MS. CAPPLEMAN: I heard your answer. My question to you now is: your brother's voice was on the calls.

544 53:22

WENDI ADELSON: He was on some of the calls I listened to.

545 53:24

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Your mother's voice was on the calls.

546 53:26

WENDI ADELSON: She was on some of the calls I listened to.

547 53:28

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did — you have any secret meetings with your brother post-bump that happened in South Florida?

548 53:39
549 53:43

MS. CAPPLEMAN: You were asked about Jeffrey Lacasse and the way that your relationship ended.

550 53:49

MS. CAPPLEMAN: What is OkCupid?

551 53:52

WENDI ADELSON: OkCupid is a dating website.

552 53:54

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Were you on that dating website?

553 53:56
554 53:57

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Were you on that dating website at the time that you were dating Mr. Lacasse?

555 54:01

WENDI ADELSON: No, I wasn't.

556 54:01

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And were you speaking — so I guess if you weren't on it, you weren't speaking to multiple men from the website during the time you were dating Mr. Lacasse. I'll remind you that you provided your phone in this case, and it was — downloaded.

557 54:15

MR. RASHBAUM: Objection.

558 54:16

MR. RASHBAUM: Argument.

559 54:18

JUDGE EVERETT: Approach.

560 54:18

JUDGE EVERETT: The argument that is denied as to improper impeachment is sustained. The jury is to disregard the last comment from the prosecutor.

561 55:50

JUDGE EVERETT: Go ahead.

562 55:53

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Didn't you just say that you weren't on OkCupid at the time that you were dating Jeffrey Lacasse?

563 56:00

WENDI ADELSON: I don't know when — we say I officially stopped dating Jeff Lacasse, but there's a chance that — I mean, I don't remember in 2014 whether I had gotten the app and started talking to people before we officially broke up.

564 56:16

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay, so my point is, there's a chance that he was right. You were — being unfaithful, or at least talking to other people. He had a reason to be jealous.

565 56:27

WENDI ADELSON: I think he had some serious jealousy issues that may or may not have been founded.

566 56:32

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Yeah. I think we got from your testimony that you believe he had serious jealousy issues. My question to you is: did he have a reason to be?

567 56:40
568 56:40

MS. CAPPLEMAN: So he was wrong?

569 56:42

WENDI ADELSON: He was wrong in June when he accused me of being with multiple people that I wasn't with. Yes.

570 56:48

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Okay. What was wrong with Dan's mother trying to make arrangements for the kids in the event of your arrest?

571 57:05

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Wasn't that a kind thing to do?

572 57:07

WENDI ADELSON: I don't think it's kind to put my children in foster care.

573 57:10

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Wasn't the foster care intended only to cover the time frame that it would take for her to get on a plane and get here?

574 57:17

WENDI ADELSON: She never said that.

575 57:19

MS. CAPPLEMAN: You thought she was just going to leave them in foster care?

576 57:22

WENDI ADELSON: I don't know what to think. They have a mother. They don't need to be in foster care.

577 57:26

MS. CAPPLEMAN: But they wouldn't have a mother in the event of your arrest, Ms. Adelson. Wasn't that the intention of the email?

578 57:32

WENDI ADELSON: I don't know what the intent of the email was. I was not going to be arrested for a crime I didn't commit.

579 57:39

MS. CAPPLEMAN: She didn't know that, though, did she?

580 57:42

WENDI ADELSON: I don't know what she knows or doesn't know. I can't speak to that.

581 57:47

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Do Dan's parents know whether you committed this crime or not?

582 57:51

WENDI ADELSON: I don't know how to answer that question. How would they?

583 57:54

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Particularly back at the time that she sent that email — it was fresh at that time, right?

584 57:59

WENDI ADELSON: I'm sorry, what was fresh?

585 58:01

MS. CAPPLEMAN: All the events that were occurring — the arrests.

586 58:04

WENDI ADELSON: That was two years after Danny's murder. I don't know what she knew or didn't know. I know that my children don't belong in foster care.

587 58:12

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Was it a specific foster care that she was requesting be called in the event that the children had no place to go and were going to be going into the custody of the state?

588 58:21

WENDI ADELSON: She did suggest a specific foster care agency — a Jewish-run foster care agency.

589 58:26

MS. CAPPLEMAN: A Jewish foster care. How many times have the kids visited Dan's parents since this murder?

590 58:26

WENDI ADELSON: Many. It would be hard to count. Countless times. Countless times.

591 58:43

MS. CAPPLEMAN: How many times have they seen him in the last year?

592 58:47

WENDI ADELSON: We had a visit with Danny's dad and the boys' cousin this summer. We've had a lot of Skype visits. They do live in Canada, so it makes it a little bit harder to have in-person visitation, but every time they've asked for it, we've arranged it.

593 59:05

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Every time they've asked for a visit, you've arranged it?

594 59:08

WENDI ADELSON: Yes, ma'am.

595 59:09

MS. CAPPLEMAN: How many times have they seen him in the last five years?

596 59:14

WENDI ADELSON: Again, countless — as in the last five years that overlaps with the time when they tried to put them in foster care. So since we've established — since we've reestablished relations — we've seen them about twice a year whenever they come down to Florida.

597 59:30

MS. CAPPLEMAN: So in the last five years, they've seen them how many times — two or three times a year?

598 59:35

WENDI ADELSON: About that.

599 59:37

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Has this been a major issue between you and Dan Markel's parents — this issue of them having access to the kids?

600 59:43

WENDI ADELSON: The issue of them trying to put them in foster care is a major issue.

601 59:47

MS. CAPPLEMAN: No, ma'am, that's not my question. I'm sorry.

602 59:49

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Hasn't the issue of them trying to get access to your kids been a major issue, at least for them?

603 59:56

WENDI ADELSON: Since they tried to put the children in foster care, yes. Before that, it was not a problem.

604 1:00:01

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Are you familiar with their work across the street at the legislature trying to get bills passed to give grandparents rights to see kids?

605 1:00:08

WENDI ADELSON: I'm familiar with their grandparents' legislation, but it's actually unconstitutional.

606 1:00:12

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Are you mad — are you — are you angry that according to your brother's theory, he and your mom have known who killed your children's father since 2014 and you weren't told who it was?

607 1:00:35

WENDI ADELSON: I'm angry that somebody killed my children's father.

608 1:00:37

MS. CAPPLEMAN: So you're not mad about that, that they knew this whole time?

609 1:00:41

WENDI ADELSON: That's what they're saying? I'm sorry, can you repeat?

610 1:00:46

MS. CAPPLEMAN: That's the theory of the defense in this case — that he's known the whole time, your brother's known what happened to Dan. Does that make you angry?

611 1:00:57

WENDI ADELSON: I'm angry about so many things, it's hard to —

612 1:01:00

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Is that one of them? Separate them.

613 1:01:02

WENDI ADELSON: We'll try. I'm confused. It's hard to process.

614 1:01:06

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And apparently, according to his lawyer, these killers had threatened to kill your brother's family members as well.

615 1:01:17

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Did you hear that?

616 1:01:19

WENDI ADELSON: I did hear that.

617 1:01:20

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And that would be you, right?

618 1:01:22

WENDI ADELSON: It would.

619 1:01:22

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Were you told that the specific threat had been made by the same people that had killed your ex-husband — to kill your brother's family members?

620 1:01:30

WENDI ADELSON: I was not told.

621 1:01:33

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Would that have been information you would have liked to know back in 2014?

622 1:01:36

WENDI ADELSON: 2014? Yes.

623 1:01:37

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Would you have made the same decision to move down to South Florida, closer to the killers?

624 1:01:42

WENDI ADELSON: No, I would not.

625 1:01:43

MS. CAPPLEMAN: And even after the killers were arrested in 2016, you weren't told that that's what was going on the whole time?

626 1:01:51

WENDI ADELSON: I found out yesterday.

627 1:01:54

MS. CAPPLEMAN: No further questions.

628 1:01:55

JUDGE EVERETT: The — jury is being instructed to disregard the comment of the witness as to the constitutionality of any portion of the Florida statutes. You may step down.

629 1:02:09

JUDGE EVERETT: Will — Miss Adelson be recalled at any point? Look — Look — looking to both of you: will she be subject to recall at any point?

630 1:02:22

MS. CAPPLEMAN: That's possible, Judge. I ask that she remain under the rule but she's free to go about her business.

631 1:02:22

JUDGE EVERETT: Have a good day, ma'am.

Procedural Recess and Sidebar Preview — Next Two Witnesses
632 1:02:22

JUDGE EVERETT: Please call your next witness.

633 1:02:22

MS. CAPPLEMAN: May I have a moment?

634 1:02:37

JUDGE EVERETT: Go ahead.

635 1:03:12

JUDGE EVERETT: We'll take a 10-minute recess until 10:15.

636 1:03:54

MS. CAPPLEMAN: Judge, are we still on the record?

637 1:03:57

JUDGE EVERETT: If there's something that you need to address, go ahead, yes.

638 1:03:57

MS. CAPPLEMAN: But before — not the next witness, I believe, but the next two witnesses — we're just going to need to go sidebar at your leisure to discuss a couple of issues. So just giving you a heads up.

639 1:04:10

JUDGE EVERETT: Let's go ahead and approach now while they're doing their break.

640 1:04:13

JUDGE EVERETT: Okay. Everyone can be seated.

641 1:18:17

JUDGE EVERETT: The jurors ready?

642 1:18:32

JUDGE EVERETT: Bring them in. Once potty is over.

643 1:20:52

JUDGE EVERETT: Everyone can be seated.