Patricia Byrd — Direct/Cross/Redirect
235 linesJUDGE EVERETT: Please call your next witness.
MS. CAPPLEMAN: State calls Patricia Byrd.
JUDGE EVERETT: You swear or affirm the testimony you're about to give will be the truth?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
JUDGE EVERETT: You may take your seat.
JUDGE EVERETT: Please speak loudly and clearly.
JUDGE EVERETT: Stay with Brandon if you can. Adjust the microphone for her if she needs it.
MS. DUGAN: Will you tell us your name and spell it for the court reporter, please?
PATRICIA BYRD: Patricia Byrd.
MS. DUGAN: Thank you.
PATRICIA BYRD: P-A-T-R-I-C-I-A.
PATRICIA BYRD: Byrd. B-Y-R-D.
MS. DUGAN: And are you in custody at Leon County Jail?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Are you in custody for violating your probation on a felony case?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: And is it your understanding that for that felony case, if you were convicted as charged, that you could receive up to 15 years in prison for that felony?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: And is that felony that you're in custody for — is that the only felony that you've been convicted of?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes, I have a pending case.
MS. DUGAN: Thank you. So do you also have another pending case?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: That you haven't been convicted of yet, but it is still pending?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: And that pending case, is that case in Wakulla County? For that case, if you're convicted as charged in that case, could you receive up to five years in prison for that case?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. And the one that you're in custody on from Leon County is the only felony you've been convicted of, then?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Have you received any offer or promises in exchange for your testimony in this case?
PATRICIA BYRD: No.
MS. DUGAN: Were you in custody with Donna Adelson?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes, I was.
MS. DUGAN: For about how long?
PATRICIA BYRD: About six or seven months.
MS. DUGAN: And was this at Leon County Jail?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Were you and Donna Adelson in the same pod?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: What does that mean?
PATRICIA BYRD: Um, we're in the same — it's an open pod. It's an open lane where a lot of mom-bears are together.
MS. DUGAN: Okay, so a lot of women are in there together.
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. So you sleep in the same room as some of these women?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: And how close did you sleep to Donna Adelson?
PATRICIA BYRD: Right next to her.
MS. DUGAN: All right. And if you're in the same pod, do you have your meals together with the other women in the pod?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Do you have, like, your downtime where you're watching TV or reading or writing — all those things — together with the same women in the pod?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: When you were in the same pod with Donna Adelson for those months, did you become friendly with her?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: How often would you talk to her?
PATRICIA BYRD: Every day, all day.
MS. DUGAN: Who else was she close to in the pod?
PATRICIA BYRD: Drina Bernhardt.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. Did she have a couple of other people she was close to as well?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Were you and Drina the closest?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes, to her, I mean. Yes, ma'am.
MS. DUGAN: Once you and Donna Adelson became close friends, did she ever talk to you about her pending case, this case?
PATRICIA BYRD: She did.
MS. DUGAN: When y'all would have those conversations, did you ever outright ask her whether she did what she's accused of?
PATRICIA BYRD: I did.
MS. DUGAN: And what did she say to that?
PATRICIA BYRD: She said she did. It was to keep her grandkids, but it wasn't supposed to go that far.
MS. DUGAN: Okay, so she said she did do it, and she did it to keep her grandkids?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: But she didn't expect it to go this far?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Did Donna Adelson ever ask if you were ever in custody with a woman named Katherine Magbanua?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes, she did.
MS. DUGAN: And were you ever in custody with Katherine Magbanua?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Was that several years ago?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes, ma'am.
MS. DUGAN: And about how long were you in custody with Magbanua for?
PATRICIA BYRD: About a year or two.
MS. DUGAN: Now, did you tell Donna Adelson that? Did you let her know that you had been in custody with Magbanua?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Since you had been in custody with Magbanua, once Donna Adelson knew that, what did Donna Adelson want you to do?
PATRICIA BYRD: She wanted me —
MS. DUGAN: Okay, so basically, she and some other people did this crime, and they did it because her boyfriend's parents had money.
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Who did she want you to tell that to?
PATRICIA BYRD: She wanted me to tell it to whoever came up and asked me about it — the Gators.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. Okay.
MS. DUGAN: Did she offer you anything in exchange for you providing that information?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: What did she offer you?
PATRICIA BYRD: A trailer and some land, and she would have her husband fix my teeth.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. So, like, if you got out of custody, she'd help you buy a trailer and land?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: And that her husband could fix your teeth?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Like veneers?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Now, was any of that true? As far as, did Magbanua ever say those things to you?
PATRICIA BYRD: No, she did not.
MS. DUGAN: Did Donna Adelson give you other gifts while in custody?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Like what?
PATRICIA BYRD: She would buy a canteen, and she would bring it over to my bed.
MS. DUGAN: What's canteen?
PATRICIA BYRD: Canteen is food that we buy at the commissary.
MS. DUGAN: Okay.
PATRICIA BYRD: It's kind of like chips and candy and other things that you eat. And noodles and stuff like that.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. But it costs money to buy those things?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. But she would buy those, or extra, and she'd give it to you?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Now, did you ever speak to her attorneys or investigators who came to the jail to see what information that you had?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. Do you remember whether you spoke to a man or a woman?
PATRICIA BYRD: It was a woman.
MS. DUGAN: Did you tell them the information you told us today?
PATRICIA BYRD: I did.
MS. DUGAN: Did you tell them that that information that Magbanua said was true or not true?
PATRICIA BYRD: It was not true.
MS. DUGAN: Okay, but that Donna Adelson wanted you to say that?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes, ma'am.
MS. DUGAN: Who else — those people for the defense who came to see who may have information — who else did they speak to?
PATRICIA BYRD: They spoke to Lindsay B. Knight and Brittany Purcell and Cassidy Conroy.
MS. DUGAN: Did they speak to Drina Bernhardt?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes, they did.
MS. DUGAN: Did you tell your attorney what was going on as far as Donna Adelson wanting you to provide this information that was not true?
PATRICIA BYRD: I'm not sure if I told him.
MS. DUGAN: I'm talking about your attorney.
PATRICIA BYRD: My attorney?
MS. DUGAN: Yeah. Did you tell your attorney at some point?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. Once you told your attorney that, did an investigator from the state attorney's office come speak to you to get more information about what happened?
PATRICIA BYRD: They did.
MS. DUGAN: And did you tell him everything that you told us today?
PATRICIA BYRD: I did.
MS. DUGAN: Just a second.
MS. DUGAN: No further questions.
JUDGE EVERETT: Cross-examination.
MR. ZELMAN: Just a moment, Your Honor.
MR. ZELMAN: Good afternoon.
MR. ZELMAN: You testified that you spoke with an investigator, a woman.
MR. ZELMAN: Was the woman white or black?
PATRICIA BYRD: She was black.
MR. ZELMAN: Do you remember testifying in a hearing on this matter a couple weeks ago?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. Do you remember saying that she was white?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MR. ZELMAN: You were — confused by the question, or you were confused about the race of the investigator that you spoke with? And — Isn't it true that you also spoke with a male investigator last August?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. And that was about less than a month after you moved into the pod with Miss Adelson, and into the next pod with Miss Adelson?
PATRICIA BYRD: No.
MR. ZELMAN: We're talking — originally, that was about a month after you moved into the pod with Miss Adelson?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. And you spoke with that first investigator, the male?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MR. ZELMAN: And it's your testimony that at that point in time Miss Adelson had already offered you, uh, money, land, and a trailer?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. And you told that to that first investigator?
PATRICIA BYRD: I did.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. So in August — I believe it was August 30th of 2024.
MR. ZELMAN: Your testimony is that you told the first investigator, the man, about that offer.
PATRICIA BYRD: I did.
MR. ZELMAN: Did you also tell him that the information that you were saying about Miss Magbanua was false?
PATRICIA BYRD: I did. All of it. I did.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. Isn't it true that you've also testified that, in fact, Ms. Magbanua was manipulative?
PATRICIA BYRD: I did.
MR. ZELMAN: Is that true?
PATRICIA BYRD: It is.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. Now, you testified — that my client admitted doing it, and that it was to keep her grandkids, but it wasn't supposed to go that far.
PATRICIA BYRD: Correct.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. Now, isn't it true that the only thing that she did was write checks to Ms. Magbanua?
PATRICIA BYRD: I'm not sure.
MR. ZELMAN: Isn't that what she told you?
PATRICIA BYRD: Not sure.
MR. ZELMAN: Haven't you previously said that Ms. Adelson, my client, did not plan the murder?
PATRICIA BYRD: Correct.
MR. ZELMAN: How many times did you meet with an investigator from any of the defense attorneys in this case?
PATRICIA BYRD: Could you repeat the question?
MR. ZELMAN: How many times have you met with an investigator from any of the defense attorney's offices?
PATRICIA BYRD: Twice.
MR. ZELMAN: Remember previously testifying that someone from the defense attorney's office came four or five times?
PATRICIA BYRD: No, I did not.
MR. ZELMAN: How many times did a female investigator come to speak with you?
PATRICIA BYRD: Once.
MR. ZELMAN: Do you remember testifying previously that you said a female investigator came twice?
PATRICIA BYRD: Twice?
PATRICIA BYRD: Have I said that — that's what it was?
MR. ZELMAN: I don't have it.
JUDGE EVERETT: Please show the witness the prior statement or testimony so she can explain, deny, or admit.
MR. ZELMAN: Just a moment.
MR. ZELMAN: Pat Sanford at the Leon County Detention Center.
MR. ZELMAN: Page 20.
MR. ZELMAN: And we'll start with the female investigator, lines 16 through 18.
MR. ZELMAN: May I approach the witness?
JUDGE EVERETT: You may.
MR. ZELMAN: "Only when you first met her, the representative of the state attorney's office?"
PATRICIA BYRD: I did.
MR. ZELMAN: Okay. So when you first met with the state attorney's office representatives and Special Agent Sanford, when asked how many times the defense investigators came to see you, you said four or five — correct?
PATRICIA BYRD: Correct.
MR. ZELMAN: And then how many times did the female investigator come to speak to you? You said twice.
PATRICIA BYRD: Correct.
MR. ZELMAN: Just a moment, Your Honor.
MR. ZELMAN: Ms. Byrd, you've testified that you were incarcerated with my client for six to seven months. How much of that time were you actually sleeping in the bed next to her in —
PATRICIA BYRD: Between three to maybe four months.
MR. ZELMAN: The jail records reflect something differently. Would they be more accurate?
PATRICIA BYRD: Could be more accurate.
MR. ZELMAN: Or they are?
PATRICIA BYRD: They are.
MR. ZELMAN: Thank you. Nothing further.
JUDGE EVERETT: Redirect examination.
MS. DUGAN: Yes, sir. Will you finish what you were gonna say please?
PATRICIA BYRD: We were in two different parts together.
MS. DUGAN: Okay, so did you sleep together — I'm sorry, sorry — sleep in the same pod as her, sleep next to her in one pod, and sleep further from her in another pod?
PATRICIA BYRD: What do you mean?
PATRICIA BYRD: I slept next to her in one pod, and then we slept in the same section in another part of the jail.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. So when you're sleeping in the same section as someone, are you still in the same room with them?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. Despite whether you were sleeping next to her or a few beds over from her, did you guys still have downtime each day in the pod together?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. And did you talk most of the day, every day, for several months at a time on a regular basis? All right. Regardless of how many times the defense investigators came to talk to you, you did speak to them multiple times?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: And you also spoke to state attorney's office investigators, is that right?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: And your own attorney?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: And you've testified at a prior proceeding as well?
PATRICIA BYRD: Yes.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. And did you ask Donna Adelson whether she wrote checks to Katherine Magbanua, or did you ask her whether she did what they accused her of doing?
PATRICIA BYRD: I asked her if she did what they accused her of.
MS. DUGAN: Okay. And she said yes?
PATRICIA BYRD: And she said yes.
MS. DUGAN: Thank you.
JUDGE EVERETT: Next, Your Honor — will this witness be recalled by the party?
MR. ZELMAN: Potentially, Your Honor.
JUDGE EVERETT: All right. Ms. Byrd, you may be called again by the defense. Please call your next witness.