Patrick Sanford - Cross/Redirect

MS. FULFORD: Good morning.

MS. FULFORD: You've been testifying for quite some time.

MS. FULFORD: Listened to a lot of phone calls.

MS. FULFORD: Now it's cross-examination, so on behalf of Mrs. Adelson, I need to talk to you about those things.

MS. FULFORD: We may replay all of them. I'm kidding. I'm not going to do that, thank you. I wouldn't do that to anybody in this room. But I do have some questions. Um, I can't remember if you testified to it on direct or not, but you're the lead investigator in this case, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Thank you. And I don't think you said exactly — I remember you said you got involved early on. What does early on mean with respect to the date that Dan Markel was killed?

MS. FULFORD: Thank you.

MS. FULFORD: And when you became involved, who kind of updated you with "here's what we got" and to discuss with you your input of where it should go?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. You're obviously here testifying for the state.

MS. FULFORD: So I'm not sure we're going to agree on everything. Is that fair? But I think you could agree with me that my client, Donna Adelson, when she has something on her mind — I mean, you've reviewed the materials, right? The emails, and you listened to the phone calls and text messages, et cetera.

MS. FULFORD: If she's got something to say, something on her mind, she writes about it. And she writes a lot about it. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And kind of the opposite of that, her son Charlie Adelson — when he's got something on his mind, he can't shut up, can he?

MS. FULFORD: I mean, he sometimes goes on forever. And in these phone calls you can actually hear his mother, Donna, just going, "Yeah, yeah, yeah," and then finally, when she can, she changes the subject, right?

MS. FULFORD: And from all of the phone records that you have reviewed, not just for this time period — they talk on the phone a lot, don't they?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And when they talk, sometimes they talk for a long time, right?

MS. FULFORD: Would you agree with me that sometimes if you don't hear an entire conversation and you just hear a little part of it, you might not be able to put that into context with what the discussion is. Is that fair?

MS. FULFORD: You said that there were leads that you were going to follow up with respect to folks who are outside of the state of Florida, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And I don't — I don't want to put words in your mouth, but were those witnesses or those suspects?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, so you followed up on leads of where green Priuses were outside the state of Florida — is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Outside of Tallahassee is fair to say. Okay. All right.

MS. FULFORD: Just some notes about some of the calls. Would you agree that there were several times in those calls where people were talking about traffic, how heavy the traffic was in one location or another? I think Katie does it some and Charlie does it some. Do you recall that, talking about traffic in South Florida?

MS. FULFORD: Now.

MS. FULFORD: During the calls that we listened to — these are wiretap calls that have been recorded — that was your testimony, yes?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And during those calls, at the point that Charlie Adelson starts to be pretty concerned about what the heck is going on — why is my family continuing to be contacted about that — you can see a change in his demeanor, right?

MS. FULFORD: I mean, there are a couple calls between him and Katie where he's pretty angry, and he's letting her know that something needs to be done. Somebody needs to call this number and figure out what's going on, right?

MS. FULFORD: And — I mean, yeah, I don't want you to gauge somebody's character, but I mean, he was getting aggressive with her. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: Yes. He was being — yeah, he was showing that he was not happy.

MS. FULFORD: All right. So maybe his anger isn't at her, but he's wanting her to do something that's not been done. So he keeps on about it, right?

MS. FULFORD: Yes, I would agree with that. And in some of the calls with her, he shows concern about whether this is somebody related to the people who have committed the killing.

MS. FULFORD: Maybe it's the police, but he's letting her know that he's concerned that this might be somebody who's involved some way, right?

MS. FULFORD: When they're talking about the — the brother in Broward County, uh, Katie — you can tell in those calls she knows Luis Rivera has been incarcerated in Broward County, and now she's getting concerned, right?

MS. FULFORD: Yeah, not that it was Luis Rivera, but —

MS. FULFORD: But he was concerned about it, and then she became concerned about it.

MS. FULFORD: And his discussions about being worried about it, those were with Katie, correct?

MS. FULFORD: When he talks to his mother, he's always reassuring her everything's fine.

MS. FULFORD: Sometimes it's 99% sure, 100% sure, 1,000% sure. He's got all these percentages, but he's telling his mother there's nothing to worry about.

MS. FULFORD: Nobody's coming after you. You're okay.

MS. FULFORD: All right. So this investigation was pretty lengthy.

MS. FULFORD: Fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: All right. And you were involved in the investigation, I guess, would be the Monday after the homicide through Mrs. Adelson's arrest, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. We want to talk about the period from when Danny Markel was killed.

MS. FULFORD: I should say — we want to talk about — my questions are going to relate to from the date that Danny Markel was killed through the date of her arrest.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And — and I know you got records, some people's records, phone records, et cetera, that were from prior to Danny being killed, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Emails, et cetera.

MS. FULFORD: And my questioning will address those as well, okay?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. I want to ask you a question. You have testified about getting a wiretap, right?

MS. FULFORD: Correct. One was obtained in this case.

MS. FULFORD: And when I say "in this case," I'm not referring to Donna Adelson — I'm referring to, there's a lot of co-conspirators that are alleged, right?

MS. FULFORD: And — and wiretaps were approved by the court for two people in the case, correct?

MS. FULFORD: So the only wiretaps you got from the date of Danny Markel's homicide through Mrs. Adelson being arrested were on Charlie Adelson, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And Catherine Magbanua, right?

MS. FULFORD: All right. And in this case — I mean, who I just included — I mean, you testified Luis Rivera was arrested, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And he entered a plea deal?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And Sigfredo Garcia, the one who did the killing — he was arrested.

MS. FULFORD: And convicted.

MS. FULFORD: And we'll go back to that in a minute. Then you got Charlie Adelson and Catherine Magbanua, right?

MS. FULFORD: And then you have Mrs. Adelson, who's been charged, correct?

MS. FULFORD: So of those five people, the only wiretaps you ever got were on Charlie Adelson and Catherine Magbanua, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. All right.

MS. FULFORD: When you say "previous," what is that time period?

MS. FULFORD: So it was one wiretap that you got that was extended?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Not for this case?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Of his wiretap?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, thank you. And to get a wiretap, there's a process you have to go through, right?

MS. FULFORD: An affidavit — or basically showing probable cause — has to be submitted to the court, correct?

MS. FULFORD: A petition for a wiretap has to be submitted to the court?

MS. FULFORD: And the court reviews it, and if the court approves it based on the probable cause and the petition — here in this case it was granted twice, right?

MS. FULFORD: And what has to be shown in this affidavit is probable cause, right?

MS. FULFORD: And what is your working knowledge of what probable cause means?

MS. FULFORD: Yes, sir.

MS. FULFORD: Okay, great. So I'm glad you clarified that. A probable cause affidavit is basically — you have evidence that a crime has been committed, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And the particular person who's the suspect in that affidavit is probably the person who committed the crime. Is that kind of a fair way to say it?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. All right.

MS. FULFORD: Not beyond reasonable doubt.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And when someone — when you get an arrest warrant, it's the same thing. It's just probable cause, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Not beyond reasonable doubt.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. I don't think you were asked about it specifically, but as the lead investigator on the case, you're familiar with the circumstances of Mr. Markel being killed, right?

MS. FULFORD: I mean, he was followed by Sigfredo Garcia and Luis Rivera the day of his murder.

MS. FULFORD: They followed him from his house to the preschool that the children went to, right?

MS. FULFORD: They watched him walk the children to the school, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And then when he left the school and went to the gym, they followed him there, right?

MS. FULFORD: And after he was done with the gym, they followed him to his home?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Okay. And during the course of this morning, besides those actions, what's happening is there's communication between Dan Markel and Wendi Adelson, right?

MS. FULFORD: And they're exes at this time. The divorce is final, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And I think the communication that was spoken of here was — Danny Markel, he leaves a voicemail for Wendi that morning, right?

MS. FULFORD: I can't recall if you were the witness where that was played or not. Were you?

MS. FULFORD: Have you listened to it?

MS. FULFORD: Would you — would you agree with me that it was a pretty pleasant message?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Mr. Markel was being friendly about — you know — he and Wendi potentially getting together, uh, to discuss one of the children's school that they might be going to, right?

MS. FULFORD: He even suggests, I think, that they could meet at the school and take a walk and talk about it, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. You are familiar with the text messages that took place between them after that phone call, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. You're not going to be able to answer any of my questions about those, then.

MS. FULFORD: We got other witnesses. We'll go on if you don't know them. Okay. Based on all of the evidence in the case, Mr. Markel didn't know what was happening, did he? He didn't know what was going to happen to him, right?

MS. FULFORD: He didn't know he was being followed. You don't have any evidence that he was aware of that?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And you have surveillance footage at the — at the daycare, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. I might have misspoken on that. I — I apologize.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. But Mr. Markel, being unaware of what was going to happen to him that morning, he was just kind of going about life as usual. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: When he took his children to the preschool and hugged and kissed them and sent them on in the room, he didn't know that was the last time he was going to see them.

MS. FULFORD: And those children certainly didn't know that was the last time they were ever in their lives going to see their father.

MS. FULFORD: And we've gone through — they go to the gym, they follow— Sigfredo Garcia — and sometimes I mess up their names — Luis Rivera, follow him in their car back to his home, right?

MS. FULFORD: And the evidence is that Sigfredo Garcia — they pull up behind Mr. Markel in his driveway, right?

MS. FULFORD: And the car is still running. Mr. Markel is still inside of it, and from the evidence you're aware of, he was talking on the phone to someone.

MS. FULFORD: And he at least is alerted from the evidence that you obtained that somebody is in his driveway and he doesn't know who it is, right?

MS. FULFORD: And from the evidence that you have reviewed, what happens is Sigfredo Garcia exits the car and he goes up and through the glass shoots Danny Markel twice, right?

MS. FULFORD: Once in the cheek area and one time almost right between the eyes.

MS. FULFORD: So the investigation really begins in the case when the neighbor — I think his name was Mr. Geiger — he calls 911, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And he's already testified to what transpired that made him make that call to 911. But as soon as 911 is called, the investigation starts. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Law enforcement was on the scene. There were a bunch of cars, right?

MS. FULFORD: And crime scene tape was put up so that the crime scene would be secure and evidence wouldn't be tampered with or trampled over, whatever — is that right?

MS. FULFORD: Cars were not allowed to go up towards the house, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. But people who drove up to the crime scene tape and could turn around — in your investigation, they would be able to see these cars sitting out there in front of Mr. Markel's house, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Have you reviewed the pictures?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Now, I don't recall what time it is, but sometime in the afternoon, I think it was TPD, located Wendi Adelson having lunch with some friends, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And they took her back to TPD, and they spoke to her, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. You're aware of that interview.

MS. FULFORD: Have you observed it?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And during the course of that interview, which is several hours long, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. There are times when she's sitting in the room with a victim advocate alone, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Sometimes — I don't remember — was he Detective Investigator Isom?

MS. FULFORD: Investigator Isom comes in and speaks to her some, right?

MS. FULFORD: Sherry Bennett comes in and talks to her about some things from TPD, correct?

MS. FULFORD: That's okay.

MS. FULFORD: We'll have another witness. Okay.

MS. FULFORD: But you agree people are coming and going out of the room?

MS. FULFORD: And Wendi Adelson — there are many Adelsons, so I'll stop saying "Mrs." I'll give their first names, okay?

MS. FULFORD: Wendi Adelson is recorded from the time she gets into that room until they are done speaking to her and she's going to be permitted to leave, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And during the course of her being interviewed, she says many things, but she certainly says that Mr. Markel's parents are going to think that she did it, right?

MS. FULFORD: And then she starts answering questions about who it is that possibly could have done this to Mr. Markel, and she gives lots of choices. Maybe it's an angry student, right?

MS. FULFORD: Maybe — maybe it's someone that got upset with him, right?

MS. FULFORD: And when she talks about her family, she said that her brother had — had previously joked that he was going to get a hitman, but instead it was cheaper to get her a TV, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And when asked about who was angry, she said that her parents disliked him more than anyone. Those were her statements, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And from that date that she's interviewed there and she gives statements — fair to say that her family become suspects?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. I mean, bank records were obtained very early on on the Adelson family, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And those were updated throughout the entire investigation, right?

MS. FULFORD: And starting on July the 21st of 2014 up through the day that Donna Adelson was arrested, you stayed actively involved in the investigation, right?

MS. FULFORD: And in fact, you were even there when she was arrested, correct?

MS. FULFORD: You're invested in the case because you were the lead investigator.

MS. FULFORD: Have you ever made a mistake in your work?

MS. FULFORD: Have you ever initially assumed that one person might be a suspect or a person of interest and later it turned out that they were not the one that committed the crime?

MS. FULFORD: No? Not a person of interest?

MS. FULFORD: You've been — you've been right from the time you thought that they were a person of interest through them being arrested, not made a mistake.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. All right. So not just TPD and not just you with the FBI, there were several agencies who were involved in this investigation. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: You wish the State Attorney's Office investigator was not involved in the investigation?

MS. FULFORD: Well, the Miami-Dade Police Department got involved, did they not?

MS. FULFORD: Correct. And they assisted with the search warrant in Mrs.— Adelson — Donna Adelson's home, right?

MS. FULFORD: They were there when she was arrested.

MS. FULFORD: Is that right?

MS. FULFORD: So some agency down there was there for her arrest?

MS. FULFORD: Oh, sure. There were several that assisted. There are main investigative agencies — yourself and TPD.

MS. FULFORD: But there were others who were involved as well.

MS. FULFORD: Right. Even the Florida Department of Law Enforcement was involved in assisting, right?

MS. FULFORD: And so, fair to say you had resources that were beyond just TPD, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And the evidence that's been collected in this case has been for years, right?

MS. FULFORD: I mean, we're like at this point, unfortunately, Mr. Markel has been gone for — is my math right — 11 years?

MS. FULFORD: And the different kinds of evidence that was obtained in this case include a lot of emails.

MS. FULFORD: One witness testified that there were hundreds of thousands of emails that were obtained in this case?

MS. FULFORD: No, I'm just — I'm asking your knowledge. You're aware that there were hundreds of thousands?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and in addition to having these emails, you also recovered a lot of text messages, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, now hundreds of thousands of emails — I can tell you from my experience in this case, that's not easy to go through, is it?

MS. FULFORD: So were a lot of people involved in reviewing the emails for the investigation?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and I'm sure you're not familiar with all hundreds of thousands of them. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: The ones that have been presented here with the state, you going over with them preparing for court, some of them have been introduced into evidence, right?

MS. FULFORD: And also, in addition to that — even though you don't have recorded calls until the bump, I guess that's fair to say, I could be mistaken, but I think that's probably the first recorded call. And when I say recorded calls, I mean the wire calls. That's what you have that you've testified to here in court.

MS. FULFORD: Mr. Rivera, are you referring to?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, give me those dates.

MS. FULFORD: Yeah, please do.

MS. FULFORD: Please do.

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. With respect to Charlie Adelson and Katherine Magbanua, those ended around June the 7th, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. In addition to those recorded calls that you have, you also in this investigation have what's called call detail records from even before Mr. Markel was killed, right?

MS. FULFORD: Yes, ma'am. Not just back and forth between people here, but other people too.

MS. FULFORD: So you got those for an extended period of time, right?

MS. FULFORD: Many years.

MS. FULFORD: And you talked about TPD reviewing the emails, the hundreds of thousands of emails. How about the recorded calls — with someone listening in on those?

MS. FULFORD: Yes.

MS. FULFORD: Let's talk about minimizing. Minimizing is when there's a point in a call where something's being discussed that's not relevant to your investigation. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: And so the minimization takes place in that — click. We're not recording that part. We're not listening to that part. How does that work?

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: All right. And in some of these calls that have been admitted, they could be extended calls, many minutes, but there's only a very short period of time that's relevant to this case. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, but you would agree that some of these calls — well, let's just give an example.

MS. FULFORD: There's a call on April the 15th of 2016 — if you look at your summary, 8:32 p.m., and it says it's 50 minutes and 9 seconds. Do you see that?

MS. FULFORD: 2016. Oh, I'm sorry, it's 9.89.

MS. FULFORD: For 50 minutes they're talking, but they're not talking about this case for 50 minutes. Fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: It's relevant to the case?

MS. FULFORD: So if they're talking about Charlie wanting to buy a go-kart and become a professional go-kart driver, that's relevant to the case?

MS. FULFORD: Right. So my point is, if it's a 50-minute call, that doesn't mean the 50 minutes are about this case, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Okay. So we may have heard two minutes in some of these calls that say they're lengthy, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Right. Some of them we did, yes. Okay, but most of them we're looking at segments, right?

MS. FULFORD: So where it says the duration of the call, you're not saying that the duration is they've spoken on the phone about this case for that period of time?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. I— know I'm gonna get this wrong, 'cause — just 'cause I get things wrong, so I'm not — not gonna pronounce this right. I can't remember. It's Jeffrey Lacasse — Lacasse, was it? Something. I say Lacoste.

MS. FULFORD: Was he a person of interest?

MS. FULFORD: As far as your knowledge in the investigation, was he a person of interest?

MS. FULFORD: Wendi Adelson, in her interview, didn't actually offer up Jeff Lacasse as a suspect, did she?

MS. FULFORD: Well, when law enforcement's asking her who could have done this, she doesn't say — she doesn't say, "Oh, I've got this boyfriend, ex-boyfriend, Jeff Lacasse, and he probably did it." She doesn't say that, does she?

MS. FULFORD: In fact, she has a friend come into the interview room with her. You recall that?

MS. FULFORD: You don't?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, that's okay. We'll get him to play it.

MS. FULFORD: You recall that it's that friend who says Jeff Lacasse?

MS. FULFORD: That's okay. We'll play it.

MS. FULFORD: How many witnesses do you think you interviewed? You?

MS. FULFORD: Yes, sir.

MS. FULFORD: Hundreds?

MS. FULFORD: Less than 50?

MS. FULFORD: 25?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and what about persons of interest? How many did you interview?

MS. FULFORD: Yes, sir.

MS. FULFORD: Yeah.

MS. FULFORD: There was a call "RR," and that's — there's so many calls, that's not gonna ring a bell to you, I'm sure. I'm not even sure if looking at your summary it's gonna ring a bell, but you were here when the calls were played, obviously.

MS. FULFORD: And call "RR" is on April the 29th of 2016 between Katherine Magbanua and Charlie Adelson, and it says the duration is 10 minutes and 20 seconds.

MS. FULFORD: Do you recall that there was a call played — a recording played yesterday — where they're talking and there are some pretty inappropriate comments about her breasts? That's not how he or she referred to them, but do you remember that call?

MS. FULFORD: And at that time, Katherine Magbanua is going into Charlie Adelson's garage. Do you recall that?

MS. FULFORD: Do you remember him telling her to take off her shirt so that she would know how to get into the garage?

MS. FULFORD: And you know from your investigation, the reference for that is she has a tattoo on her ribs that is 1214, and that happens to be his garage code, correct?

MS. FULFORD: Is it fair to say that the information that was obtained in these recorded calls was used in your investigation to determine if you're moving forward on a person or not? Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: Charlie— Adelson — in the Dolce Vita recording that was played, with you, right — this man — and that's where Katie and Charlie are meeting at a restaurant, right?

MS. FULFORD: April 20th of 2016?

MS. FULFORD: And in addition to a recording inside the restaurant where they're talking, I guess there's some pictures also, right?

MS. FULFORD: Outside the restaurant — they take pictures.

MS. FULFORD: That's before or after they go inside?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, so they go inside and they're there for an extended period of time. Is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: And there's one or more agent or officer of some sort in there with concealed recording devices trying to capture their conversation, right?

MS. FULFORD: And you recall that in Dolce Vita, Charlie tells Katie, "Trust me, I'll keep you full time so you're going to get your checks." He says that, doesn't he?

MS. FULFORD: And you considered that as part of your investigation?

MS. FULFORD: Yes.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Okay, so we've had the agencies that have helped in some way, right?

MS. FULFORD: And TPD was responsible for reviewing the emails. Who was responsible for listening to the calls?

MS. FULFORD: Live. They did it around the clock, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Many, many hours a day, they're listening in on all the phone calls of Magbanua and Charlie Adelson. Is that fair to say? Okay.

MS. FULFORD: And these people who are listening in — how are they getting the information to the investigators on the case when they hear something that they think is relevant? How does that process work?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and you say "in there" — you mean actually in there where they're listening to the call, in the wire room?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and were you actually listening in on the calls as well?

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: Okay, when you say "mark permanent" — what did you say, "pertinent"?

MS. FULFORD: You said they're marked that way. Did you get some kind of printout or something that showed you that?

MS. FULFORD: Yes. And so yourself and Isom and maybe others had access to go in and listen, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. If there was something really urgent, is somebody letting you know that right away?

MS. FULFORD: And something urgent would be, "Oh, my goodness, somebody's meeting up," right?

MS. FULFORD: And so the resources that you had in South Florida at the time, including yourself — is some of these people are going to be meeting up, we need to go see what we can capture. Is that right?

MS. FULFORD: Sure, right. Right, okay. During the bump that's going on — I'm referring to the bump as not just the day they meet on the street, but that period of time where you have the wire live down there. Okay?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and during that period of time, yourself — you were there. Were there other people on standby to assist you?

MS. FULFORD: Including the individuals who went in and did the recordings — is that fair?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and you said you were there for some of them. Which ones were you there for?

MS. FULFORD: The meetings that were recorded.

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and when you said you'd already been close to them, you mean in proximity, not that they were aware of you and what your job was?

MS. FULFORD: Okay, and— Also in this case, there was use of, I guess, firearms experts? Was that at FDLE? That would have been FDLE. And the purpose of that in the investigation was to determine if both of the projectiles came from the same weapon, right?

MS. FULFORD: That's okay. If you don't recall it at all, we'll talk about that from somebody else.

MS. FULFORD: We didn't have a weapon, right.

MS. FULFORD: You can compare two projectiles from the markings on them to see if they came from the same thing.

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: All right. And you said you had surveillance videos from the gym?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Where else did you have surveillance video footage?

MS. FULFORD: Any point in this investigation.

MS. FULFORD: Yes, sir.

MS. FULFORD: Probably more.

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: Right.

MS. FULFORD: Right. Let me ask you this.

MS. FULFORD: The co-conspirators — that's how I refer to them — the co-conspirators that have been tried and convicted. The first question is, were they followed prior to their arrests?

MS. FULFORD: Any of the ones that have been tried and convicted, followed prior to their arrest?

MS. FULFORD: Like the day of their arrest or anytime before that?

MS. FULFORD: That means somebody's there watching their residence?

MS. FULFORD: Well, how do you get that, then?

MS. FULFORD: Cameras.

MS. FULFORD: How did you know she was going to pick up checks?

MS. FULFORD: That was for picking up checks?

MS. FULFORD: The check she picked up came from Charlie Adelson?

MS. FULFORD: Pretty incredible that you were able to determine the vehicle and find it throughout Tallahassee on bus, bus cameras? Is that what you said you used?

MS. FULFORD: The people that were conducting surveillance, if you will, on the co-conspirators who've been charged — were they with the FBI, your folks, or were they with a different agency?

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: In addition to the people who've been convicted of this offense, was my client Donna Adelson — did someone watch her comings and goings at any point?

MS. FULFORD: And when was that?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And that was where she would be outside walking? Is that fair?

MS. FULFORD: Right. And was she followed in her vehicle, places that she traveled to?

MS. FULFORD: Were you present for observing that?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. But you got that information from whoever in the FBI was doing the surveillance, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And in addition to the live surveillance, the recordings that you've had, folks have been retained to do an enhancement of some of those things, correct?

MS. FULFORD: So if the recording doesn't sound real clear from what you obtained in your equipment when you went in, an enhancement means that you basically block out some of the outside noise, if you will, and then you can hear the voice of the person speaking that you want to hear — you can hear them more clearly. Is that correct?

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: And in addition to all of the things we've talked about, uh, cell phones were recovered in this case by law enforcement, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And some computers as well, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And those were searched, right?

MS. FULFORD: You didn't participate in that part?

MS. FULFORD: But you're aware in the investigation that material that has been used in prosecuting these individuals came from those phones and computers, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: Now, you never got a wiretap on Donna Adelson's phone, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And one year into it, you decided that — did she move from a person of interest to a suspect? I don't remember how you worded it.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And— You've testified on direct when each person was arrested. I guess it would have been Garcia first, and then Rivera was already incarcerated, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. But at the time he was indicted, he was serving a prison sentence in federal prison, is that right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And in this case, uh, he assisted law enforcement. We've heard testimony that you're aware of that. Eventually he did?

MS. FULFORD: Okay. And his assistance was taking you places, explaining things, is that fair to say?

MS. FULFORD: Down to South Florida looking for the weapon — that's where you thought the weapon was?

MS. FULFORD: And whereabouts — do you recall whereabouts was that, between Tallahassee and where they went to when the homicide was over in South Florida?

MS. FULFORD: Yes, ma'am.

MS. FULFORD: But you didn't locate it?

MS. FULFORD: He told you what kind of gun was used, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And what was that gun? What type?

MS. FULFORD: It was a revolver, right?

MS. FULFORD: You recall that in around June of 2016, so after this bump period and the ending of the wiretap, that the probable cause in this case — it was leaked out, wasn't it?

MS. FULFORD: And TPD actually held a press conference, right?

MS. FULFORD: And the Adelson family, according to what TPD said and those probable cause affidavits, the Adelson family were announced as being considered as suspects, right?

MS. FULFORD: Sure. And it's mentioned in the probable cause, too, right?

MS. FULFORD: Yeah, I made a mistake. I asked a compound question. I included them both, and obviously the first thing I said was the press conference, and that's what you picked upon, so that's my fault.

MS. FULFORD: Okay. Now, from the time that Mr. Markel was murdered to the time that Donna Adelson was arrested, fair to say she lived a pretty routine life, right?

MS. FULFORD: Well, during your investigation, you learned that she worked at the Adelson Institute, right?

MS. FULFORD: You learned that Harvey Adelson, her husband of now 54 years, did general dentistry there, right?

MS. FULFORD: You learned that Charlie Adelson was a periodontist and worked some out of the Adelson Institute, but he also did, I guess it's dental surgery — I'm not real familiar with it, but basically he did dental surgery for many different doctors, right?

MS. FULFORD: I'm sorry if I misspoke. I thought surgery was the periodontist. I don't know either. Whatever. He was a specialist, right?

MS. FULFORD: And he did that work for several different dentists, correct?

MS. FULFORD: And a lot of the calls that he made to his mother that you've listened to, he's talking to her between these appointments, right?

MS. FULFORD: Okay.

MS. FULFORD: Yeah, it did, didn't it? Okay.